Eastcoast- Yes, Liz only saw her as the woman in the picture until the flashback at the summer palace.  

I'm willing to accept that KR was blonde in the picture because they didn't know who they would cast as KR and then once Lotte Verbeek was cast we are just supposed to accept she was a redhead because Lotte was the best person for the role.  Liz never questions it. And the photo (which was last focused on in Cape May before we meet KR) hasn't been shown close up since.   I wondered if they ever do show a close up of the photo again if they would reshoot it with Lotte and still wash it out so that her hair could look blondish in the light.  who knows.   Anyway, I also have wondered if it could be a parallel to Liz's life when she went blonde while on the run with Red.  KR likely wasn't "on the run" the same way Liz was, but perhaps she had dyed it for a specific job in order to not draw attention to herself or to lay low for a while. Perhaps where she was working at the time was one of those places with very few redheads and she went blonde for the job?  

Did you guys see Aly’s post from TV Guide or EW (I forget which) that are rumblings that Jennifer may show up before the season is over?  I hope it’s true!

I am stoked.  I literally do not care what she is like, I just want to get to know her and see her interact with Liz and Red.  Good, bad, in between.  She’s welcome however she is.

It’s possible, I suppose.  But I tend to doubt it.  He doesn’t have DNA on file and Garvey’s seeming lack of awareness of Liz’s relationship to him would rule that out. And it doesn’t link to KR which they basically beat us over the head with in the season 4 finale.

Tuxie400 wrote:

I still stand my my theory that Jennifer's DNA was in CODIS as a missing person. The bones could match that DNA. I think the only way the bones link to Katerina is through Liz's involvement - protecting her innocence.

As you know, I'm open to all theories that work. I'm not 100 percent on anything.

Yes that could make sense if her DNA is in the system. But my issue with that is that I cannot understand why the US marshals as an institution would put her in there as a missing person. She told her mother she was walking away and Liz said nothing about her being reported as missing or her absence being considered suspicious and therefore I figure they would have figured she was just done and they would’ve let her go risk her own life.

Something I have wondered is if Garvey himself could have put this DNA in the system and have been looking for this person all these years.  So considering the bones could be hers. Perhaps he knew Jennifer? Maybe he was the handler of hers and Naomi‘s case at one point or perhaps he had been in love with her or in a relationship with her.   If he had been concerned about her he may have put a DNA sample of hers in the system so that if she was ever located he would know. That could be possible. An unsanctioned entrance into CODIS  which is something I have speculated that Red could have possibly done if you were trying to fake Katarina‘s death.

It may be that they didn’t necessarily witness a crime but given Reddington level of security and his job they may have believe there would be or perhaps there were actual threats against them and they thought this was the most suitable option.   Even if Carla didn’t know anything there may  have been people who believed that and may have tried to take her or Jennifer hostage in order to smoke Redington out or to force the US government to pay ransom. Because it is it is certainly cheaper to give the new identities and help them reestablish elsewhere versus paying for around the clock security.

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Tuxie400 wrote:

Carla said in 2014 that Jennifer left seven years before, so that would be 2007.

Oh yes, my bad.  Not sure why I was thinking 2002.  Flora Segunda was published in 2007 so both things happened the same year 

how could I forget that, LOL!

So this is a completely random and unsubstantiated thought, but I'm gonna toss it out there: what if Katarina had been given protection under WITSEC in exchange for information about Soviet Intelligence and what-not?  It would have been a highly-classified and sensitive case so they may have kept it within very close ranks. Garvey could have been her handler.  Red finds out that she's not only alive, but living safety in the US.  She's possibly she's hoping to go back for Liz once she feels secure enough, and Red killed her to prevent her from getting Liz or was responsible for her death in some way.  Garvey may have always suspected, especially if she had ever confided in him that they had been in a relationship.  Maybe Garvey fell in love with Katarina?  Perhaps Garvey is like Liz, fixated on an unsolved case, obsessed with justice for what he may have perceived as his own failure.  If he wanted to find her, he could have put her DNA in the CODIS database and waited for her to be identified.  And if he had always suspected Red, that may be why he automatically associated it to him. 

 Like I said, completely unsubstantiated and there are likely holes, but it crossed my mind. 

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Tatiana- the only hint we may have been given that she was a double agent was Red calling her a traitor to two countries.   And possibly her assumption that if Soviet intelligence knew of the affair that the US did as well (though I'm not sure if that was real or if she lied to Kaplan).  

But I agree Red has underestimated Garvey.  I wonder if Garvey might go after Jennifer somehow.  Perhaps use her as leverage to get Red to give him Liz?  

I do think its possible that Garvey/Carla/Jennifer are somehow connected because of the whole WITSEC thing, I think we discussed this somewhere, maybe its on another thread....

 but how this would give Garvey power over Red I haven't a clue.  And why it would turn Liz away from Red, I also haven't a clue.  And why its Red's great secret that he won't tell Liz, I also haven't a clue.
then again, I've kind of given up thinking about who it is as all roads seem to lead to a brick wall.

Why would Garvey want Liz and use Jennifer as leverage for that?  It doesn't seem he cares about her.

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