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I remember that plaid was really big back then! lol
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East coast. Lol. So now you have me adding plaid as another seventies clue. Lol. 🤣
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Well put it in the 60's too, it was big back in the 60's and 70's. It seams to go in and out of fashion like everything else. Except...... A lot of people wear those flannel plaid shirts in the winter because they are so cozy!! lol
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New Sneak Peak is out! Liz finds a clue to Oldeander, and it looks like it may be a place and not a person.
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Tuxie400 - that is a very intriguing scene.
this has so many parallels with the ballistics report and Liz's initial investigation of Tom in season 1. That led her to the hotel in Boston. The stuff in the storage locker reminds me of Liz going through Tom's go box - and the handwritten notes, the notes Liz made about Boston. In that case, the implication was that Red set up, or had someone set up Tom for the murder of Fokin. Or was he? I have a feeling that this is going to lead to some sort of ambiguous murder as well, on someone else's part. I guess we'll see.
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I agree that box is very reminiscent of season 1. And of course Oleander would be a place and not a person. Like a reverse Berlin.
I’ve been thinking the Fokin murder may crop up again too. Tied into why Red reappeared in Liz’s life.
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I guess the sneak peak reminded me more of Liz acquiring Katarina's diary than Liz finding the go-box. But I do see the similarities. We don't know for sure that Oleander is a place - just that Tom considered it. It's hard to read what's written under person - but I still think Liz seeks out Dom because of Oleander connection.
I agree that I think Liz finds Dom that way. But it would be just like Blacklist writers to make us think this whole time that Oleander is a person and it turns out to be a place that leads us to a person.
But I think Tom’s journal is likely more of a planning book than a diary like KR’s.
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Brittany - It does look like more of Day Planner, but I still think it's weird that spy types like Katarina and Tom would leave so much of their thinking in written form. To me the parallel was Liz finding a book of some kind with clues to what turned her life upside down in the past..
That is definitely a similarity, Tuxie. With KR and Tom both leaving behind journals, it makes me think of the connection between them in that while both of them were excellent operatives, they both met their ultimate downfall in the job by falling in love with their mark. The journals could be a little symbolic of the humanity that didn't leave them completely and was revived by falling in love. Especially because neither of them left them prior to falling in love (that we know of).
Something I just noticed when looking I paused the scene in the clip where Liz is going through Tom's things...the address on his license shows 83501 A....you can't see the rest but that would appear to be confirmation that the address on the suitcase was just Liz and Tom's address, which is what I think many of us had suspected since Tom never appeared to explore it.
Also, the journal talks about the possibility of Oleander being a person, place or thing. The person he had listed was J. Oleander, an author. Also questioned if it was a nickname or codename. There was what looked like a Japanese subway/train schedule and under places he has a place listed as "Hiroshima Station" which is underlined and written right beneath the Oleander hotel in Slovenia in that column. Lastly in the thing column, he has it listed as a poisonous plant (as we have discussed), a Japanese railway and that oleander grew in Hiroshima after the bomb.
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Tuxie400 - I agree about the book of clues.. And we have seen Liz building her new wall of clues, as she had in Season 1.
Brittany - that is interesting. I think Slovenia takes us back to all of the Serbian connections we picked up in Dom's house. And of course the pilot, where the brothers were Serbian, and all of the other references throughout the series. Japan and Hiroshima are interesting connections to Oleander - brings out the radiation theme again. And how did Red get his burns? I know there's a strong implication that it was from the night of the fire. But I suppose, even if a result of the fire, they could symbolize or connect to something else regarding radiation or radioactive explosion. Red's guy in Havana (I think his name was Manny) was the source of his plutonium and I remember someone else (it may have been HoneyWest) suggesting that Manny's burns were from some sort of radiation incident, or at least a symbolic tie to some kind of radiation incident resulting in fire.
Just some ideas......It's all getting extremely interesting whatever it is!
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Brittany - I like what you said in #50 about the similarities between Katarina and Tom. In #51, it's interesting that you were able to read so much from that page. I'm still thinking J. Oleander, the author, will be Dom. Although the Slovenia link ties into the Trieste castle and Serbian connections. In facit, I'm starting to think Serbia might play a much bigger role than Russia in the mystery that is The Blacklist. Dom means home in Slovenian/Serbian. Masha is a nickname for Maria in Russian, but it's a name that stands on its own in Serbian.
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lara1 - I see we're on the same wavelength about the Slovenia/Serbian thing. I've found a lot of other connections today that may or may not be relevant.
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Brittany - About that address number, it's not the one on their building the night of the Garvey attack. That one's clearly shown as a three-digit number as Red and Dembe carried Tom and Liz out. Continuity error, maybe. The street they lived on in Season 1 was not Allison. Could it have been Liz's apartment in Season 3 before she fake died? I would think the driver's license was shown to verify the address was the same one as on the suitcase. Good catch on your part!
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I missed the address on the building. But I guess whatever it is it is connected to them not something different.
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The address on the building that Red and Dembe carried Liz and Tom out of was 525. The numbers were huge.
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The address thing is a bit perplexing but Allison Street I think is a Keen address. I'm not sure about the 525, but my thought is that Allison Street was just their address, nothing more, and like a lot of fiction, its just a fake address. Why they come out of a building numbered 525 I have no idea - either Kaplan scared Liz and they moved (but we never saw that and I haven't compared the inside of nanny dearest apt with the Garvey siege one) or they just did't think to mask the 525. I think the latter is possible if different writers. directors for the episode. Not really focusing on the address on the luggage tag. Just my thoughts.
Brittany, good catch on the driver's license. I was focused on the numbers not the street, LOL
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Hey Brittany, did you notice Tom's DOB as 1981? some other poster noted that. Doesn't that bring us back again to Tom bing 14 when picked up by the Major in, was it, 1995? But the date on his tombstone is 1985, making him 3 years old in 1988 when he was kidnpped. 1981 makes him 3 years old the year Liz was born.
Which always was more interesting to me.
I'm not sure this is writing error. Maybe there is a reason this date keeps going back and forth.
But I sure don't know what it is! LOL
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another interesting thing for me is - how did Tom get a postcard from Slovenia? Where did he find it?
I wonder if there is writing on the other side......or maybe he just came upon it in a Slovenian store in DC as part of his research......