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1/23/2018 3:49 pm  #1


Katarina's Journal

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on something, but shouldn't Kirk have known that Red had been an assignment (rather than just an interloper) to KR if he had ever read the journal found at the summer palace?  I don't recall Kirk mentioning the journal to Liz at any point. 
 

 

1/24/2018 12:54 am  #2


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Brittany, I am glad you brought this up. 

I have been wanting to ask for a while is there anyone who has translated the pages that were shown?  

We had a lot of discussion on this Journal a while back. Kirk may not have know about it.  He did not go to the palace a lot and had not been there in years according to the palace keeper. 
If it was real, She probably had it hidden somewhere and leave it to the FBI to uncover each nook and cranny and find it!  
It could be she had it for her daughter to find one day?  For all we know it was in with her children's books in her room where no one would suspect it. 







 


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1/24/2018 1:39 am  #3


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Eastcoast - I always figured Kirk had found the journal and read it long ago. But maybe it was hidden away somewhere in the house.

Brittany - Two people elsewhere on the Internet translated the journal pages. I know we discussed those translations here somewhere at the beginning of Season 4. 

 

1/24/2018 2:49 am  #4


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Do you remember where they are Tuxie?


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1/24/2018 6:15 am  #5


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It seems to me like he didn’t read it because Red seemed to have to inform him that KR had been assigned to seduce Red. 

I’ve always thought it was real.  It was likely the only place she could put down her honest thoughts.  Now that we’ve seen Requiem, we know she left in a hurry and likely didn’t expect that she would never return and therefore wouldn’t have thought to take the journal with her.

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1/24/2018 10:40 am  #6


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Eastcoast - One of the translations was by someone with a Russian background. The other was by someone who just used an online translator. Both versions said basically the same thing. I really can't remember where I first saw them. It may have been Blacklist Reddit or one of the two FB sites I frequent: Blacklist Exposed or Blacklist Clearing the Red Tape. Then those translations were discussed on BSG under the episode titles that featured the diary (Miles McGrath and the next one. The translations revealed little more than the dialog we heard from Liz, as I recall - and I don't recall specifics.

My theory back then was the diary was a fake, written primarily to mislead Constantin, or possibly written in code. At that point, I also thought there was a possibility Raymond had never had an ongoing affair with Katarina, but might have been her spy handler using a fake affair as a cover. Of course, that was before Requiem.

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1/24/2018 11:35 am  #7


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My recollection of the diary translation is the same - I read it at the time, but I don't recall that it said anything revelatory or much more than what we already knew.  I think Aly may have re-posted it, but I'm not sure exactly.  I only look at Aly's site and the Blacklist Exposed, so I'm guessing it was one of those two but again, I don't recall exactly.

My take on the Kirk/Red conversation was that Red was trying to reason with Kirk - and try to gain common ground by suggesting that Kirk may have been a mark too - rather than inform him, but again, there is no right or wrong interpretation - we all see what we bring to the scene!  

 

1/27/2018 12:52 am  #8


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I finally found the Russian womans translation of the diary page that appeared next to the one Liz read in the episode. This appeared on the Blacklist Exposed facebook site:

"Can he actually ensure our safety? I still cannot answer those quesitons. Day after day is passing by and I have no answers.
This evening I was on the roof and enjoying the enjoying the stars and thinking it's interesting who Masha would resemble when she grows up as a woman. I like to think about planning a wedding and observing her marrying the man she loves. The man who will give her security.  Who will lead her to the altar? ... they are to me because up to now ... I could do ... Time will tell if I can't see because of the shadow of her hand. Where our paths will lead us?  The agency requires answers. They connected with me today. I have told them another lie. I cannot keep my thoughts in order. Only with Raymond I am honest."

The middle breaks down in meaning. I'm not sure if the translator just could not figure out the meanings of some of the words or what. But, for what it's worth, this is it.

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1/27/2018 1:59 am  #9


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Thank you Tuxie. I am surprised that is all there is.  I have a total of 4 pages in my pics that I have. But I do not know anything about Russian, so maybe that is it. 


 


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1/27/2018 11:49 am  #10


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Eastcoast - That translation was supposedly just one of the pages. Two of the pages allegedly have the excerpts phantom Katarina is shown reading in Liz's mind.

Another person on Reddit claimed all the pages were a passage from a Russian novel:"It says this: "One Shannon's ship remained on a distant orbit. Two others landed after some preparations on the Southern pole of the planet, on a rocky stretch of land, around 4000 square km. The expedition's work concluded after 18 months, and was a huge success, with an exception for one incident, that happened due to the hardware malfunction. But the scientists of the expedition divided into two feuding sides. The discussion was about the ocean. Analysis showed it was of an organic... "

The Reddit poster says it appears to be a direct quote from Solaris by Stanislav Lem, which is a homage to Russian writer Andrey Tarkovsky. 

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1/27/2018 12:17 pm  #11


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I'm surprised more fans didn't make a bigger deal of the Solaris connection. The Scifi novel was made into a 2002 movie with Geoge Clooney. On Wikipedia, I read:  Clooney's character struggles with the questions of Solaris's motivation, his beliefs and memories, and reconciling what was lost with an opportunity for a second chance. Woah! That sounds just like Red.

On this space station, the members encounter virtual replicas of their lost loved ones. The Clooney character (Kelvin) sees his dead wife, Rheya. Through numerous flashbacks, Kelvin and Rheya's meeting and courtship are explored, with hints as to her disturbed upbringing and emotional difficulties. It is also gradually revealed that Rheya once terminated a pregnancy but did not tell Kelvin about it. When he discovered her choice, Kelvin was so distraught that he walked out on her. Rheya then committed suicide. In his experience with her in the space station, Rheya commits suicide over and over again. Back on Earth, Kelvin struggles to return to normal life, haunted by the idea that he "remembered her wrong" – that is, Rheya as being invariably suicidal. (Cape May, Adrian Shaw Pt. 2?)

But it turns out, Kelvin was never back on Earth. Rheya appears to Kelvin yet again. This time she assures Kelvin that they no longer have to think in terms like "life" and "death," and that all they have ever done is forgiven.

I need to watch this movie!




 

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1/27/2018 12:37 pm  #12


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I’ll have to go back and rewatch that episode on blu Ray (I believe it has commentary) because I think they said something about the journal being a Russian novel or something.

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1/27/2018 1:04 pm  #13


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Brittany wrote:

I’ll have to go back and rewatch that episode on blu Ray (I believe it has commentary) because I think they said something about the journal being a Russian novel or something.

I'd love to hear back on this, Brittany. I think the diary parts were in Miles McGrath. I don't have the Season 4 DVD. Once I started Netflix, I stopped buying the DVDs. But I miss having the extras.
 

 

1/27/2018 2:02 pm  #14


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I was wrong.  It wasn’t that episode that had a commentary.  Maybe I heard it on a podcast interview?  Because I feel like they also talked about how they had to figure out if Liz read/spoke Russian.   But I do remember hearing something about a novel.

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1/27/2018 3:20 pm  #15


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Brittany - Thanks for checking! I wish there were a commentary on that one.

 

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