Basic rule of BADGUYISM - Red and portions of the team will be subjected to some GARVEYISM before they eventually topple the greatest big bad yet.

Red especially will have to wriggle out of some severe trauma - although Roger Ebert always said the real downfall of most big bads is their propensity to keep talking to their victims - buying time for the vic to evaluate the immediate surroundings, hunt for options, buy time for fresh heroes to arrive!

Tuxie400 - you got me interested in re-watching Kenyon.  Here are some interesting things I picked up.  Some of these may have been mentioned on the old board, but with the passage of time, I thought it interesting enough to repeat here.

Numbers - mentions of 3, !2 and 36.  
Kenyon's Church of the Shield mandated that each man marry 3 wives
There are 3 red crosses behind the altar in the Kenyon church
Fitch's apartment in St. Petersburg is #221; Glen mistakenly thinks this is 212
Glen spends 12 hours on Red's jet exhibiting what Red describes as bad behavior
The phone number in Fitch's safe is 812-36-4000
And - perhaps most interestingly, when Connolly gets Cooper into the drug trial program, and Cooper says he doesn't want to displace another patient in the program, Connolly informs Cooper that there were 35 patients and now, with Cooper, there are 36.  So Cooper is number 36.  Not sure whether that's just pointing to number 36 generally, or is Cooper indeed #36 that means something else.  Very intriguing given all of the references to #36 from the very beginning of the pilot....
Not sure but I think there were 3 of those toys hanging from the trees - the upside down doll and the dog that you mentioned, there was also something that appeared to be a doll of a boy or a man, missing one of its legs, maybe arms also

Aside from the 3 red crosses in the church, there are other crosses with red serpents entwined around them

The surname Kenyon hails from a town in England, the site of a BURIAL mound
The Gaelic name means BLOND; in Welsh it can be translated as RABBIT

​Tuxie, you've already mentioned that the sole survivor of the church massacre was a young blue eyed girl who was hiding in a type of closet, she actually looks a bit like bubble girl or even young Liz.

Kenyon's compound is in the SMOKEY mountains
Kenyon got his inspiration from a silver BEAR
Lots of mention of fire in the episode, associated with the church and its teachings
hmmmm

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Actually, one more thought on Kenyon following #204 above.

So in re-watching Kenyon and replying to Tuxie under the Garvey comments above, I got to thinking about all the symbols, some of which point to fire night, some of which we picked up on at the time..

And Kenyon's church and property were referred to, not unusually, as a compound.  It got me thinking about how KR says that Liz was kidnapped from the campus.   Some of us discussed at the time whether that signaled that Liz was in some kind of program.  Being indoctrinated as it were.  Just  a thought given all of the symbols that appear to be in the Kenyon episode..

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Tuxie - interesting observations on the tree and the connection to the "bottle" tree.  I linked it to a kind of weird, distorted Christmas tree - like a ruin of what had been.  Given the Christmas tree lot and the tree on fire in the fire memories.   And all the creepy cabins in the woods in the series.  Including Reds cabin.  But I also like your link to family tree.  its all connected back to that in some way.

When I read that Kenyon means blond (or white, I also read), I remember when the group looked into the meaning of LeBlanc in that episode.  Same exact meaning - blond or white/pale one.  
 

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Small correction on Ian Garvey being subject to the "Curse of Badguyism" where they talk on relentlessly, threatening death but stalling out as help arrives at the next convenient turn.
After Garvey puts Red, Lizzy & possibly even Harold in the Garvey Hot Seat before the tide turns and he is taken out like yesterday's garbage.
In other words - you want Ian Garvey to be your big bad then you have to write him as such. My correction is that he defied the 'Curse of Badguyism' by disposing of Tom - and Tom is only 2nd to Red in terms of being the proverbial silver-tongued devil.
Wouldn't it be something if show-runner really hoisted Garvey up to legendary status - allowing him a 2nd significant scalp (ie. Liz, Harold or even Aram or MossadGirl)
Even working his angle into the next season - if there is a next season!
 

Tuxie400 wrote:

lara1 - It is interesting that LeBlanc and Kenyon both have that meaning of blond, and a blond man was who kidnapped Liz.

Yes - and the one (blurry) photo that the FBI has of Red does not show a blond haired man (heheh)

which brings me back to why there are no photos of "young Red" , even in his Navy days, in his file (heh heh)

thanks for the holiday wishes!  

Brittany - yes, I think I remember that photo.  I don't think that showed a blonde man either.  But I guess what I'm thinking is that there are no photos of Red in there from before he disappeared, I would think it normal to have a picture of him in the file from his Academy graduation or at least in his uniform, like are commonly shown in news stories about members of the armed forces, military, police and the like.  In the news story about him that played when he was captured in Braxton, they did not show a photo either.  Only a map of where he disappeared (or more precisely where his car was found) in rural Maryland.  

lara1 - Yes, I've always thought it was strange that there wasn't a Navy photo of Red. The props department could easily have photoshopped a younger Spader face on one.

Brittany wrote:

Lara-that photo was attached to the fingerprints dated March(?) 1989. He wasn't blond in it (though Spader in RL was blond in his younger years).  He was also wearing glasses in that photo (which I know is just an old photo of Spader in RL, but I wonder if they ever considered an explanation for the glasses for the character).  
 

 
LASIK?

Lol, Honey West!   I was wondering if the Navy takes you if you don’t have perfect vision? Are you allowed to wear glasses or contacts?