I tend to think Kaplan's plan was simple.  I think Dennison was indtructed to contact Tom in the event of Kaplan's demise. Tom to give he case to Liz. Which is why i think he brought it to the apt and was all set to hand it over but changed his mind when he found out Liz thought Red was her father. I think Liz would have figured it out from the ID of the bones.

But imo it still would have triggered Garvey. So i think that there is something about the situation that Kaplan did not know. She did not know everything but presumed she did.

I think what it boils down to is that the bones in the suitcase have absoluely nothing to do with Red being Liz's father, that’s sort of a side story. But they have everything to do with why he came back into her life. The revelation to Liz about their relationship complicates the issue, but doesn’t change the fundamental mystery of why. Really, he could have popped in anytime over the years and revealed the truth, but chose not to, probably because she would be safer not knowing because then she would start nosing around into things that would get her killed for going there. And maybe blow his cover, whatever that might be.  Not to mention that he was probably afraid that she would reject him and then he would be cut out of her life completely.

But the bottom line is that whoever has those bones has control of Reddington’s power. Does that mean that they control him or what he represents? Are they tied together or separate. Garvey seems to know which it is, and I find it hard to believe that if he knows that, then he didn’t seem to know who Liz was. There seem to be plenty of people who know Red and Liz's relationship who could have used it against him, but Garvey only seemed to know that Tom could get him to Red, not Liz. So he must not have known what a prize he had and ordered her killed along with Tom, when he didn’t get what he wanted out of them. Makes me wonder if Liz would have told him who she was in order to try to save Tom? But of course she was knocked in the head before she could have any influence on the situation.

The most intriguing question is what does Garvey know and what does he not know?

Well said, Honey West.  JB said Liz finding out Red is her father changes things in regards to the plans with the suitcase, which I figure must have been referring to the fact that Tom didn't just give it to her because she told him that and it ultimately got him killed, which I don't believe Kaplan intended. 

I think Garvey must have known Red in the past.  When he talked about Red's power being 'legendary', it sounded as though he had only heard of some of his reach in the years since he became a fugitive.  Perhaps he is someone from Red's days in intelligence? Garvey didn't want to talk to Red directly on the phone, but wanted Tom to call him.  And he seemed to know Red's voice...he never questioned that Tom may have called someone else.  He must have been concerned that Red would have recognized his voice and bolted.   Red and KR seemed to be involved in some shady stuff on the side prior to 1990 (they were involved with at least low level criminals like Sam), perhaps Garvey was one of them?  Or maybe it was a situation similar to Anslo Garrick.  Garrick didn't know about Liz and only realized she was important when Red was his most desperate to get out of that box to save her that he was willing to hold a gun to Ressler's head.  If Garvey had been a protoge or something like that in Red's early days, he may have gotten close to Red, but not close enough to learn about Liz.  I don't think the people who learned about Red's interest and protection of Liz really started to get wind of it until she was an adult and he had to start contracting surveillance and protection outside of Sam. 

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Could be.   I think Kaplan wanted Liz to have the suitcase so that Liz could have "the truth" (whatever that is).  Which may also be why Red calls it a secret and not a lie.  Red doesn't seem to know Garvey, or at least, doesn't seem to have figured out that Garvey is the one after the bones, and doesn't seem to think that anyone should be in danger over the bones.  I wonder if Garvey is Oleander.  Or working for him.  Yet, Garvey seemed to want the bones for his very own personal power over Red.  My current thought is that Garvey may have an old connection to Red, possibly from fire night.  So Kaplan may or may not have known him.  

I'm going to try to re-watch the Season 5 eps thus far.  Maybe there are further clues in some of the script.
than again, maybe not 

Speaking of rabbits, Lara, we've already mentioned that there's a book called 'When Rabbit Howls" by a person who suffered from severe abuse and MP?

Well I have to say I'm actually glad I haven't had a chance to view the DVDs til now - gives me something to get through the Fall hiatus, LOL

Watched the commentary on Requiem - and the episode.  I hadn't realized how much plaid there was in the opening scene.  In addition to little Kate and her mother being dressed in plaid, Kate's father was also wearing a vest with a plaid like weave, and one of the (two) mourners shown was wearing a plaid shirt.

Also, and I don't know whether I noted it at the time, but the motel room that Kaplan was given originally (where she needs room 8 to dig out the body), was 12.  

They did a very long commentary on Requiem.  They fessed up again to the errors with using "Alexander" - it was not caught in the script review and editing process - and the mess up with the burn on Liz's wrist.  But did confirm that Konstantin was not called Alexander then, and that Liz did get her scar in the fire.  They did re-iterate that the apparent inconsistencies in the story are not inconsistencies and all will be clear in the ultimate reveal of the underlying story.

Someone may have already told us this when the DVDs were released, well anyway I thought it was worth mentioning again now that we are well into Season 5.  

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Those are Interesting things about the deleted scene, lara. I read earliern about Sam telling Kate that Liz wanted to be called Elizabeth. My take was that her memories had already been wiped and Sam the Grifter was lying to Kate.

But this is the first I've heard about the rabbit being a different color and lacking the scorching. That is weird. I didn't notice the rabbit being different in the scene where Kate is sewing it up.  The part about the pancakes is funny. Liz did tell Tom she hated pancakes. Maybe she just hated his pancakes. And I'm laughing at the info that both Sam and Liz were wearing plaid.
 

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lara1 wrote:

Switching gears just a little bit here.  I've finally had a chance to start looking through the deleted scenes on the Season 4 DVD.  There is one in Requiem that is interesting.  Kate goes back to Sam at some point after initially dropping off Liz.  Sam refuses to let Kate see Masha and says that Liz wants to go by the name Elizabeth now, because I (Sam) treat her like a queen.  (Which is almost like what the Major said to Tom in the flashback in the fall finale).  But I thought it interesting that Sam says its Liz who wants to go by the new name.....

Sam also says that Masha/Liz had just stopped asking for her Mother and for Katya (Kate) two weeks prior.
And that KR had called him and said she wasn't coming back.  Hard to say when that was, it could have been around the same time that KR called Kaplan at the motel.  Some interesting small items:

Liz is playing with Sam's large black Lab, which has a bandana tied around its neck like in the photo at Red's cabin

She appears to have the dollhouse with her, which begs the question, how did it get there from Canada?  Though I have to check because there's something about the colors that seems different from the one at Summer Palace but maybe its the lighting....

Now Kate, drops off the stuffed rabbit - the one she was apparently mending in the motel room when KR called - and to me it looks DIFFERENT from the one that Liz had in prior episodes of the show.  In that its a light brown color and doesn't seem smoke stained.  So - is it a different rabbit? and -

Kate says that Liz doesn't like mushy pancakes so keep the syrup on the side.  But - wasn't it that Liz said that she hates pancakes, as in she doesn't like them at all - and

Is Liz different from Masha (heheh).  And is that in part why Sam would not let Kate see her.

And both SAM and LIZ are wearing plaid.

This would certainly add fuel to that particular theory. (Two girls, maybe the two were swapped.  And my version (which I don't know whether its mine alone) - the "first" Elizabeth - something happened to)

 

 
My thoughts on the Masha to Liz thing from the deleted scenes was that she had probably had her memories altered by then. She probably had no idea who Masha was after that.

Brittany - I would think that cur scene did take place in 1990 or later.

Brittany - Yes, more of Red's backstory would be helpful. I really hope we get some this season.