I saw a theory on Tumblr today that helped me with some questions I’ve had about Red’s relationship with Katarina.  In Requiem we see KR talk about how he had been an assignment in the past when Kaplan sees them together.  This theory suggested that perhaps Red had learned that KR was KGB and assigned to him and flipped her to be a double agent.  They got wrapped up with the Cabal and their relationship, Red loses faith in KR’s ability to do the job or  and takes Liz for fear that she and KR will be killed.  KR leads the Cabal to the house which results in the fights and fire and the family being torn apart. 

It would tie in with what Dom says about Red making decisions for KR and Masha that got them killed (in Artax Network), also with Red saying men like Tom don’t change because he tried to get KR to change and she couldn’t.  And I’ve always had a hard time believing two spies from two different agencies could continue a long term affair after an assignment was supposed to have ended without at least one agency knowing and using it to their advantage.

I figured it had discussed it before.  I've questioned her being an asset in the past, but hadn't thought about it since watching season 4.   I've always thought KR likely was born or came to the US as a very young child, thus that could also be construed as a "traitor to two countries".  Double agent makes more sense. 

Honey West - I did watch the first two parts of the Hunt for the Zodiac Killer today on the History Channel website and really liked them. I was amazed by all the Navy connections. The information about defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton and the Booz circles was fascinating,.and I found it interesting that they had teams of Navy Seals working for them. The idea that some of the Navy Signal flags were symbols in the Zodiac's cryptograms was intriguing too, along with idea that Navy weather symbols may have been used. There was also that connection to the Mt. Diablo Navy monitoring station. I can't remember if Red supposedly contributed to Snowden's defense or not.  I thought the character referred to in that season one episode where they piecing together all the shredded documents was supposed to be Julian Assange, the Wiki Leaks guy. But maybe Ed Snowden was mentioned somewhere along the line too.

While I had heard of the first suspect, Ross Sullivan, I had never heard of Lawrence Kane. I did some more research on him and found out his wife's father was Russian.  And he had a brain injury. There's always some way to link this stuff to Blacklist. LOL

Last edited by Tuxie400 (11/22/2017 6:19 pm)

Cool stuff, eh? I thought you would like it, Tuxie400. I was amazed at all of the Navy stuff and spies and such. I felt like I was hearing some of our own discussions at times!

And, yes, so true, Tatiana!

Last edited by Honey West (11/22/2017 10:19 pm)

HoneyWest - thanks for this!  I just started watching.  within the first few minutes the investigator interviewed says:

1- he (Zodiac) had no distinguishing marks or TATTOOS (almost verbatim what Ressler said about Red when he turned himself in
2- they refer to the Zodiac as a "ghost"
3 - they emphasized the large number of LETTERS mailed through the POST OFFICE to the newspapers

hmmm.  I'm only 5 minutes in.  will be ride!  

And - Cheri Jo Bates - another person whose name starts with a C.  I never noted that before as I've only recently been paying attention to the "C"s and "K"s.

Last edited by lara1 (11/24/2017 8:00 pm)

moved these Zodiac comments over to the other thread.

Last edited by lara1 (11/25/2017 12:54 pm)

Brittany - I found a link to Bokenkamp's initial Blacklist script. Instead of his father being an Army officer, RR was described as the son of an army brat. His wife was called Ellen and daughter was Addy.

http://www.zen134237.zen.co.uk/The_Blacklist_1x01_-_Pilot.pdf

Last edited by Tuxie400 (11/25/2017 1:05 pm)

Lara- my late husband introduced me to the show about a year after it went off the air.  We got the DVD box sets and watched together.  His favorite was Denny Crane.  Mine was obviously Alan Shore.  ;)

lara1 wrote:

moved these Zodiac comments over to the other thread.

What thread?

Where is the mk ultra thread? I tried searching for it but it didn’t come up. Is it on thrushes?