Actually in the clip Red said "Echoes" not ghosts. He's no longer quite so cavalier about dying. Thinks he feels death all around him, slouching out of the shadows towards him. He's either becoming a bit unhinged or else maybe having baby Agnes in his life has made him re-think his attitude towards the possibility of being killed at any moment, which he says he was always okay with until now. Maybe he's just feeling that he might want to stick around now, where he didn't really care before. Of course I think he always did care, but buried those feelings and now they are welling up from somewhere deep inside.

Anyway, I wonder who that is that he is talking to. I kept thinking, that older man would be about his father's age...

They've done this before where the clip is not necessarily from the very next episode. When JS was on before and played a clip before the season premiere, the clip was actually from "Miles McGrath." That clip could be from anything up to 4.14, which I think is what they've been shooting?

Love JS's stories. The punchlines are always funny. "James slept through most of my classes this term. But it was actually a relief, considering his behavior when he's awake." He did get in a reminder that the next new show was Feb. 2nd at 10 PM. tell all your friends. I think the issue was more the interruptions and on again off again nature of the schedule, because actually the ratings are not that terrible. And I think he might have thought that he wasn't going to get a lot of promo in with this appearance because of it being inauguration day. Liked his comment "half of the people are wishing the day was over and have gone to bed early and the other half have been partying since noon and were probably sh*t-faced by now." But when asked about where Red is right now his comment was interesting that he was in a dark place, isolated, and racing towards a cliff.

Honey West wrote:

He's either becoming a bit unhinged or else maybe having baby Agnes in his life has made him re-think his attitude towards the possibility of being killed at any moment, which he says he was always okay with until now. Maybe he's just feeling that he might want to stick around now, where he didn't really care before. Of course I think he always did care, but buried those feelings and now they are welling up from somewhere deep inside.

Honey West - Thanks for putting a more positive spin on the clip. The birth of Agnes could make Red want to hold on tighter to life. 

Honey West #24, that's an interesting thought.  It might be because Red is about to kill the guy, he's giving him a Red story, kind of like he gave to the guy who hurt Liz in the parking lot, before he shot him.  Especially since the guy is kind of looking at him like, what are you talking about?

No leaf blower, LOL!  I do so love to read your posts, leaf blower or no.  Hope that all is OK from the storm you had.  

adding - Oh, I meant to say its an intriguing thought if the guy isn't really there because I then wonder who he might be - ?

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Tuxie400 wrote:

I was thinking the guy in the clip might be the "Harold" in Red's MI6 arrangement - the contact he's been feeding information to over the years. There's a reason that arrangement was introduced. So it stands to reason we're gong to find out more about it.

could be.  I had a closer look at the clip, and of the two people sitting at the table, one is eating, with dishes glasses set out on his side of the table, and one is not.  From the camera angles and lighting, it looks like Red is the one who is not.  So he has either dropped in on the other person (not always a good sign for the person, ha!) or has been summoned.  then again maybe its just a plain ole meeting like with Iniko at the restaurant.  Red is fond of those!

I think I recognized the glass in the windows/doors at the far side of the room as like those in the sneak peek previews with Tom sitting at a restaurant table, so maybe its from one and the same episode.  hard to tell though as some of the restaurant is shown in shadow...

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Interesting thoughts Eastcoast #28 - from time to time as I watch the series, I wonder whether Red is really so deep undercover that he can no longer tell reality from his cover.  I need to go back and see the details of the book about the spy who never came in from the cold.....or did (they are two different books so I'm not sure which one was meant to be the "clue" ) but I thought that was the case in one of those books....the "spy" became so lost in his "identity" that he no longer knew who he really was..  I could be completely wrong about that though so I'll need to check that.

In any event, book or no book, I have thought that about Red from time to time.  Has his "imposter" reality become so real he's forgotten what the "true reality" really is?

anyway I've gone a bit off topic here.  I'll come back with any further thoughts under the imposter theory discussion.....

Honey West #30 - I think i am mixing up my stories.  I now don't think that the spy who came in from the cold involved the lead "spy" forgetting who he really was or blurring reality from fiction.  But I do remember reading, somewhere, that had happened to someone.  He was so deeply undercover that his cover kind of became reality for him and he could no longer distinguish what was "real" from what was his "cover" reality.   

Interestingly, the "spy who stayed out in the cold" which is what I think Miles McGrath referred to, in a way describes Red more than the Le Carre novel though both are relevant.  In the former, an FBI operative sells US secrets to the Russians over something like a 20 year period.  though - he does this through accessing computer data and copying it etc - something that our Red probably would not be able to do!  haha

though the le carre novel nvolves double agents and "real" spying (ie in the field)....

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