I saw the photo with James walking down the street in his robe - certainly less than business casual. LOL And he hasn't been wearing the fedora either. The new Red opts for a baseball cap.

I look at Red's attire as a statement about his "power". His three piece suits and hats are his suit of armor, as it were. When he is wearing less of this "armor" he is, or seems, more vulnerable or less-powerful. Look at him in Artax when Aram comes to see him at Dom's. He's in just a shirt and seems, to me anyway, small and defeated. His armor is gone. When he and Liz were on the run it was more disguise, but at the same time he was very much in defense mode and didn't have his usual control over things, even though he was doing his best to stay ahead of everyone and keep Liz and himself safe.

I am thinking that with Red in rebuilding mode, he might even have reached a point where he could "retire". But I doubt that he ever can. He has too many enemies for one thing. Maybe he is on a little vacation? He must have located the suitcase, unless he's biding his time and only suspects where it is and is patiently planning to get it back. Of course we all know that Tom could have been talking to him on the phone and so he already has it back by the time he is hanging out by the pool.

But no, I don't think Red can retire. Not yet. I still think his criminal empire existed for more than to keep Liz safe, although that may have been his personal motivation. Whatever his purpose has been still exists, and keeping her safe is probably a very important part of the whole puzzle of what it is. So he will rebuild, make new alliances, whatever it takes. We can be sure he has a lot of resources left in his hidden bunkers and caches in every state, and probably a lot of countries. Maybe it's good that his old alliances have been swept away, because as we have been shown, many of those older ones were built on deceit on his part, like the kidnapping gone bad, for instance. It will be interesting to see how he comes back. And when he gets his fedora back.  (grin)

Last edited by Honey West (8/29/2017 10:12 am)

Tuxie400 - thanks, yes, that's what is missing and what is probably bothering me.  It (the fedora) is his trademark of sorts.

I wonder if in the scenes we have seen, Red is deliberately dressing down even further in order to "blend in".  We haven't seen all of the scenes, for instance when they filmed out at a mansion on Long Island, so who knows what happened in those scenes.  I just keep thinking that Red could dress down without appearing to be so "grey".  Just IMO of course.  I can't wait to find out though!  

Hi Everyone!!  RL is still hectic but I went to NYC yesterday - planned on going to Coney Island. Then saw on "OnLocationVacation" that TBL was filming a couple blocks away from the Port Authority, where I get off the bus. Was able to meet Hisham and Ryan when they arrived. Didn't get to meet James, but did see him. Also saw some filming outside, where Ryan walked out of a deli doorway.

Hisham and Ryan were incredibly nice, as were all the crew working on the show. I met other incredibly nice fans from Long Island, Washington State, Germany, Argentina, and Brazil. As with here on Refugees, I was surrounded by sincerely, friendly good people.

I can't put into words how surreal and lucky it felt to be there.

Coney Island will have to wait! 

Last edited by Colleen (8/29/2017 6:40 pm)

Colleen, so glad you got to meet them!  And catch some filming.  That is great.

And thanks for sharing the filming intel.  Yes looking closely it does look like Red is wearing either pajamas or hospital scrubs (looks like there may be a drawstring type waist thing).  But why he may be walking near a deli with them on is a mystery, if he wasn't filming in the hotel.  Especially since when they filmed there a few weeks ago he seemed to be in an expensive vintage RED sports car!  very curious!!  Maybe he owned it and sold it!  ha ha.  who knows it could be anything!!

Fun stuff, Colleen! I'm on the other coast so i have to live vicariously through other peoples' adventures in NYC! Sounds way more fun that Coney island, although I've never been there either! LOL!

ew.com has some photos from season 5. I can't seem to copy the link here on my slow at-work cell phone hot spot connection, or even see them because they are so slow to load, but...it looks like Tom has the suitcase in their apartment. So maybe it was Liz he was talking to on the phone. They just show him with the suitcase, maybe Red swoops in to grab it before Liz gets home?

Colleen, Good for you!!!  I am so happy you got to meet them.  I agree, Coney Island would have to wait. 
​Thanks for sharing! 

In the ew photos Tom is wearing a different shirt when he is looking into the suitcase from what he is wearing in the photos with Liz. So she might not necessarily see the suitcase after all.