Honey West wrote:

Tuxie400 wrote:

I thought Red killed Pitt somewhere in Europe, and Kate's bodies on ice were from America. Europe is where I would expect Josephine's apartment to be. But again TBL mystifies me with geography.

 
Tuxie400 the way Red jets around the world at the drop of a fedora, Josephine could have been anywhere. but I thought Pitt was killed in that apartment to pound home Red's message. But the dogs ended up back home with Glen, so maybe they took his body back for Kate to dispose of?

Ah, the magic of television travel, why every character teleports to the furthest netherlands in minutes. I mean, Red flies to Vienna, what in ehhhh 45 minutes? Then takes a train... wait, I do hear those Eurorails are supersonic almost!

Yes, way too many quick trips, but it carries the story. They have to move along with a tv show, a movie, they could stretch it out.

Otherwise Liz would have had a soap opera pregnancy... you know, like 13 months.
 

lara1 wrote:

I wonder if Red has set up the Debt Collector.  Get an enemy (Kate) on his side for a moment with a perceived common problem - as Kate explained with Hans.  Throw Kate off her guard.  Then again looking at the promos, maybe not.  Or maybe it goes a bit sideways.  I guess we'll see.

That's an exciting theory... it actually would make sense. However, remember Red is fighting lots of wars 1) Kaplan 2) some nebulous third party 3) figures from Katarina's past .. I don't remember the exact wording, but Red said it in a more recent episode.

Tuxie400 wrote:

lara1  "Wasn't Liz killing her father supposed to have been an accident - shades of warrior gene/trigger maybe?"

That's what I thought. Using the word "murdered" implies a conscious choice and purpose. Red saying murdered instead of killed shocked me.

I didn't catch Red saying that; however, my tv was glitchy so that's probably why. And now I'm like !!!

Patter  - oh no, poor you!  I hope you get to re-watch and catch any missed pieces of dialog soon!

I think we may be getting that rain here today, its very nasty outside!  A good day for me to re-watch, but its not yet available on my local OnDemand.  

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Tuxie400 wrote:

I woke up this morning in the middle of dream where Red and members of his extended family (including a brother named Leonard and his wife) were hiding in my basement. LOL  I also couldn't stop thinking about Raymond the kidnapper. 

We have been lead to believe by both Kirk and Kaplan that it was Raymond who kidnapped Liz from the Summer Palace when she was 4 years old. Now we find out Red was behind the kidnapping of young Hans so he could make a business friend out of an enemy. Both kidnappings went horribly wrong. Could Red also have been involved with the kidnapping of Christopher Hargrave, but that went horribly wrong too? 

 

Tuxie400 - LOLOL!!!  that is hysterical!  And I can understand how Red and Leonard could be hiding in your basement!   

Interesting thought on Christopher.  Well, Red is certainly a suspect and the "kidnap story" is another nod in that direction, I think.
 

Tuxie400 wrote:

lara1  "Wasn't Liz killing her father supposed to have been an accident - shades of warrior gene/trigger maybe?"

That's what I thought. Using the word "murdered" implies a conscious choice and purpose. Red saying murdered instead of killed shocked me.

If you're talking about the opening scene in the record store, Red actually says, '... a fire in which a four year old girl killed her father'

​He also referred to it as an accident.

Tuxie400 - not to worry!  What with Red and his relatives in your basement, you had other things to worry about!  LOL

And I'm sure I for one have done my fair share of "mis-hearing" - I think its fascinating actually as so many people bring their own, different perceptions of what is going on in the show and I think it may pre-dispose us at times to hearing things "differently".  That's my two cents, anyway.  LOL

Someone somewhere pointed out that two years ago not only was Liz roaming through Red's secret flat, she found the photo of her mother and there were a couple of episodes where she was determined to find out more about her mother because Red would not tell her what happened.  then, Tom was helping her.  So did she find something out about Red and her mother, that someone wanted surpressed?(and not necessarily the "connection" in Kaplan's memories)

Which brings up Tom and even the Katarina is alive ideas again.

So a mutual acquaintance - if that word is to be taken literally, could expand the universe greatly, but I think the chief suspects to be Cooper, Ressler, Tom, and /or someone working on behalf of Katerina, whom Liz knows.

I kind of think Samar and Aram not connected at all.  Ditto Dembe. Red says it wasn't him.  I don't think its Kaplan because Krilov didn't know her.  Have I left out anyone?

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Tuxie no worries! I used to watch with the CC on to know what was being said. 
 

Tatiana wrote:

I wonder if in your dreams you put Leonard Caul as Red's brother? :-) That would have been 2 years ago you know! Sometimes your subconscious can figure things out your conscious mind cannot.

The Leonard in my dream was not the same person as Leonard Caul, but I like your idea that my subconscious was trying to make meaning out of the two-year bombshell.  I do think two years ago is about right for the Leonard Caul episode. What if something medical was learned when Red was shot? Was a DNA test done, or did Dr. Nik tell Liz there some strange things about Red's anatomy?

I believe Red when he said he only Liz's memories blocked 25 years ago. But could Kaplan, acting as though she was representing Red, have ordered it as a way to protect Liz? While Kirlov doesn't know Kaplan on sight, she could have done the hiring. ( Like Tom had never seen Red in person until that day at the hospital.)

I don't see how Cooper or Ressler would have known about Krilov, or why either would have had a big enough motive to have the memories wiped.  Tom is always a wild card.