yep, and music, and a grand piano (in Hitchen's lake house - a house by the LAKE)  LOL

But no dogs! (or cats)  )-:

lara1 wrote:

So I am thinking about the memory guy again - didn't he say that Reddington hired him?  Yet Red said he didn't.  Maybe it was someone working through someone else to make it appear to be Reddington behind the hire.  Didn't he say it was to erase information about Reddington?  hmm

definitely need to re-watch as soon as its available!  LOL

Krilov didn't specifically say it was Reddington who hired him. He told Liz it was their "mutual friend."
 

LDJones wrote:

.....He must have some current sources of income, or did until he killed his business partner...!

 
LD Jones, I think you said it. Red seems to be doing exactly what Kate said: he's brought this all down on himself. He seems to be blowing up his own empire. Kate just lit the fuse.

Earlier you all were talking about Don Giovanni. The last production that I worked on had the demons that drag him down into Hell as being the spirits of all the women that he wronged over the years. We had them as sort of ghost brides.

But the main point, I think, of picking that particular selection from Don Giovanni is because of the main theme, as it were, of that opera and how it relates to the, so far, unrepentant Raymond Reddington. It also ties in with what Red said about setting out to become the great criminal that they already said he was. (Who are They? The Cabal?) I copied this from Wikipedia because I couldn't say it better myself: "Such is the end of the evildoer: the death of a sinner always reflects his life" ("Questo è il fin di chi fa mal, e de' perfidi la morte alla vita è sempre ugual") Perhaps a clue as to what may eventually be in store for Red unless he repents.

Tuxie400 wrote:

Random thoughts about the episode:

After seeing how Ressler's memory was manipulated, it makes me question everything about the fire night memories - whether they're Liz's or Kaplan's.

Red implanted Nikolas in Werner's employ in much the same way he implanted Samar on the task force. That's what he meant when he told Kate he built his fortress with walls within walls.

What was the significance of Gale's asking Liz what she knew about  Milos Kirchhoff, Jeff Pearl and Pastor ?  Who was the pastor guy anyway?

 
"Pastor" was Alastair Pitt.

So they had Berlin, Pitt and Pearl along with Fowler. Hmmm. Gonna have to examine those people again.

So if Liz's memories were tampered with again just two years ago over her discovery of something about Reddington, then maybe the last four or so episodes of Season 2 need to be re-examined in that light. That would have been right around Leonard Caul and the rediscovery of the Fulcrum. That darned Fulcrum will just not go away!

So who was the friend that took her to Krilov? Prime suspect for me would be Kate, probably protecting them both, but on the other hand we keep hearing that if Liz knew who her real father was it would put her in terrible danger. So did she discover a truth involving Red that unmasked her fathers identity? Even if it is not him, it's something he is very involved in. Perhaps that explains their sort of odd conversation at the end of Tom Connolly where she concluded that Red had blocked memories of killing her father to protect her. Maybe what Krilov did was implant another, stronger memory to support Red's assertion that her father was dead and died the night of the fire. Red seemed relieved at what she "remembered", so it was probably still working and in place to mask the truth. The question is when was this done?

I am really liking Gale. He is scary-intense, but just offbeat enough to make him extremely interesting. I don't even care who he might be working for, at this point.

It's been raining pretty much non-stop in Indiana for the past couple of days, which cause our OTA antenna to act up. Very scattered projection and many pauses. So I didn't catch everything you guys did, but I'm glad I logged into get caught up! Will have to watch on demand this weekend as so many scenes were to clunky to understand the dialogue.

What I did notice was Liz and Samar working together. Seems like Samar has finally moved on from Liz's death and resurrection and sees Liz as her peer again.  Also, Liz calling Hitchens a murderer? Pot, kettle? I was hoping for a cat fight there!

 

Honey West - Thanks for supplying the name Alastair Pitt as the name of the third victim Gale mentioned to Liz. I think I didn't remember it because it didn't compute. I thought Red killed Pitt somewhere in Europe, and Kate's bodies on ice were from America. Europe is where I would expect Josephine's apartment to be. But again TBL mystifies me with geography.

Great insights from everyone here!  Will comment more when work lets up, but Honey West #107 - I agree about needing to look over those Blacklisters again.  I though the FBI found Berlin's body back in season two, but that could merely be an oversight by the writers.  Or the writers wants to highlight a common theme by mentioning those specific Blacklisters.

Berlin hurt Naomi, Red's wife.  Pitt indirectly hurt Josephine, Red's girlfriend.  Pearl indirectly hurt Dembe.  Fowler indirectly had Luli killed, Red's girlfriend and financial manager.  Fowler was also indirectly responsible for Red being tortured.  These were all personal for Red.  In a sense they were Red's family and loved by him.

Lara - did you notice Red's man on site was named Nicolas?


And the last song is "Dream On" which starts... every time when I look in the mirror

Tuxie400 wrote:

Patter - Yes, I was surprised when Liz called Hitchin a murderer, and also when Red talked about a 4-year-old who murdered her father.

Yes - great observation - wasn't Liz killing her father supposed to have been an accident - shades of warrior gene/trigger maybe?  I think some of us thought that, comparing that with Connolly.

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Colleen wrote:

Great insights from everyone here!  Will comment more when work lets up, but Honey West #107 - I agree about needing to look over those Blacklisters again.  I though the FBI found Berlin's body back in season two, but that could merely be an oversight by the writers.  Or the writers wants to highlight a common theme by mentioning those specific Blacklisters.

Berlin hurt Naomi, Red's wife.  Pitt indirectly hurt Josephine, Red's girlfriend.  Pearl indirectly hurt Dembe.  Fowler indirectly had Luli killed, Red's girlfriend and financial manager.  Fowler was also indirectly responsible for Red being tortured.  These were all personal for Red.  In a sense they were Red's family and loved by him.

Colleen = great observations!  I hadn't got far yet in thinking through those that were named.