More food for thought: when Kate is working at the morgue, the date of death on the person being wheeled out looks like 02-04-1993.  Its hard to read the last digit, but its definitely 199-something.
That would mean four years after the fire.  I got the sense that scene was earlier on, closer to when Kate followed Annie to Amarillo, but unless 1993 is another Kate memory incongruity thing, it means that Kate and Annie were shot in 1993.  

So she then meets Raymond after that.  Which is probably like 1994 at least, as I think she was in the hospital for six months and then back at work.  So that probably ties in.

One other thing struck me more in this latest viewing of Requiem.  That Kate not only cared for KR, I think she wanted KR, Masha and herself to be a sort of family.  And I think this is underscored by Kate having no memories of Kirk - he doesn't even wander into the kitchen for a glass of water, cup of coffee or wave goodbye as he exits the house on his way to work, or the airport or something.  He simply doesn't matter in her recollection.

The scene with Liz playing cards, and how KR was out looking for a new home for them to all live together; and I was particularly struck by the scene with Liz at Sam's - when she replies to Liz that she wants that "more than anything" - KR, Liz and herself being all together - I don't think it was just to make little Liz feel better, which is what I thought originally

So this brings me back to my thought Red may tell Kaplan a "truth" that will ultimately get her to stop.  ("You don't have to do this", he is seen telling Kate, as with Kirk.)

I see a kind of parallel with Kirk, in that I wonder if Kaplan, deep down, may actually hate Red or at least resent him for having taken Masha and broken up Kate's "family".  Both Kirk and Kaplan thinking that Red took their "family" from them.  Maybe, like Kirk, she has harbored a grudge all of these years.  And maybe, like Kirk, she will get a big surprise in the form of the "truth" from Red.  Something that stops her in her tracks.

Maybe not.  I think it may be a logical plot parallel.  And I still think she was acting cagey in "Mato".  LOL 

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lara1 - How weird that Kaplan's rings are different! I wouldn't think that would be referencing a memory issue. And you must have a superior eye for detail. I would have never noticed the rings being different since they were bands.

I don't know what to make of the screens being different. Mr. Magoo was chosen for a reason. His blindness gets him into all kind of trouble, but it always works out in the end. Is this a reference to Red's "blindness" when it comes to Liz and Agnes?

Tuxie400 wrote:

lara1 wrote:

One other thing struck me more in this latest viewing of Requiem.  That Kate not only cared for KR, I think she wanted KR, Masha and herself to be a sort of family.  And I think this is underscored by Kate having no memories of Kirk - he doesn't even wander into the kitchen for a glass of water, cup of coffee or wave goodbye as he exits the house on his way to work, or the airport or something.  He simply doesn't matter in her recollection.

The scene with Liz playing cards, and how KR was out looking for a new home for them to all live together; and I was particularly struck by the scene with Liz at Sam's - when she replies to Liz that she wants that "more than anything" - KR, Liz and herself being all together - I don't think it was just to make little Liz feel better, which is what I thought originally

So this brings me back to my thought Red may tell Kaplan a "truth" that will ultimately get her to stop.  ("You don't have to do this", he is seen telling Kate, as with Kirk.)

I see a kind of parallel with Kirk, in that I wonder if Kaplan, deep down, may actually hate Red or at least resent him for having taken Masha and broken up Kate's "family".  Both Kirk and Kaplan thinking that Red took their "family" from them.  Maybe, like Kirk, she has harbored a grudge all of these years.  And maybe, like Kirk, she will get a big surprise in the form of the "truth" from Red.  Something that stops her in her tracks.

Maybe not.  I think it may be a logical plot parallel.  And I still think she was acting cagey in "Mato".  LOL 

I very much agree with all of this. I think Kaplan was in love with Katarina and just ignored Kirk as being insignificant. In past seasons, plot points have surfaced in the fall episodes that repeat in some way later in the season. 

Regarding your earlier timeline points, I always believed the warehouse meeting with Raymond happened in 1994 when he "resurfaced."  That song being released in 1992 is a puzzler - part of the alternate reality???

Great insight! I too thought it very odd that Kirk was not present at all. Regarding the 1992 song, I'd have to assume it was like Red telling of his carpet laying job when he was in high school and which song was playing on an 8 track? The timing was off, so it was more 'figurative' rather than a literal 'truth'. (if that makes any sense).

Lara - one thing: Mr. Magoo was when Kaplan was in the hotel room sawing out the wall to get one of the bodies. It was in present day. The tv screen with the two ships comes right after an old time cartoon of Aladdin? reclining. If it's not Aladdin it's a man dressed in traditional Arabic style clothes.

Tatiana #148 -  yeah, i can see the song as just a good choice for the scene. I really only looked into it because of the two oddities with the newspaper. Lol

Re the cartoon - yes, it was Aladdin. But i thought the small figure in the bottom left hand of the screen looked like mr magoo, with hat, glasses and green coat. I thought it very odd, and yes a tie in  to the current day hotel scene.

Upon re-watch, the Mr Magoo type figure is actually speaking, so it Is a moving cartoon. I will have to watch it again - maybe it isnt mr magoo, lol. Dont believe what you read on the internet!   Haha.   

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I just re-watched The Architect (again!).  I still think that Elise/Janet is somehow connected to Red's past.  I don't think she is  actually bubble girl (although she could be I guess) but linked somehow.

Also the scene at the end with Red and Cooper where Red talks about Cooper's daughter and how the burden of a daughter who is sick can be difficult etc.  I previously focused on Cooper calling out Red about that.  But what if Red was speaking from experience.  I guess we don't know.  but the theme of a sick daughter with Red in the scene has appeared again.

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lara1 wrote:

I just re-watched The Architect (again!).  I still think that Elise/Janet is somehow connected to Red's past.  I don't think she is  actually bubble girl (although she could be I guess) but linked somehow.

Also the scene at the end with Red and Cooper where Red talks about Cooper's daughter and how the burden of a daughter who is sick can be difficult etc.  I previously focused on Cooper calling out Red about that.  But what if Red was speaking from experience.  I guess we don't know.  but the theme of a sick daughter with Red in the scene has appeared again.

I'm convinced Elise/Janet is somehow connected to Red's past. She'll be in the final episode, Mr. Kaplan Conclusion.

I would not be at all surprised if 'Jennifer' was somehow 'damaged' 'scarred' or something like that. There's so many themes of children suffering diseases or disfigurement of some sort. I do think that Red is not Liz's father, but that he has a daughter named Elizabeth.

lara1 wrote:

Watching Dembe Zuma - and noticed that in the documentation handed to liz by Glenn, one of the properties owned by the beekeepers that went into foreclosure is listed as located in California.  

I couldn't grab a good screen shot of it but it looked like it said Redding, California.  I don't think Redding is that close to either SF or LA (Honey West?) - but think about the name-

Redding/Reddington   LOL.  pointing to another california link to Red?

No that's a lot farther north in the upper end of the Valley. It is best known for being one of the hottest places in Northern California in the summertime.

Tatiana wrote:

lara1 wrote:

I just re-watched The Architect (again!).  I still think that Elise/Janet is somehow connected to Red's past.  I don't think she is  actually bubble girl (although she could be I guess) but linked somehow.

Also the scene at the end with Red and Cooper where Red talks about Cooper's daughter and how the burden of a daughter who is sick can be difficult etc.  I previously focused on Cooper calling out Red about that.  But what if Red was speaking from experience.  I guess we don't know.  but the theme of a sick daughter with Red in the scene has appeared again.

I'm convinced Elise/Janet is somehow connected to Red's past. She'll be in the final episode, Mr. Kaplan Conclusion.

I would not be at all surprised if 'Jennifer' was somehow 'damaged' 'scarred' or something like that. There's so many themes of children suffering diseases or disfigurement of some sort. I do think that Red is not Liz's father, but that he has a daughter named Elizabeth.

I would also not be surprised if that turns out to be the truth.