Did anyone notice Kate was wearing pants when she was strolling in the woods with Masha?
I dont recall her wearing pants before?

BBB - Well, the spoiler for the finale says the show won't end like you think. Most people think Kaplan will die. I don't.  I can see her story bridging over into Season 5.

BBB - I think most fans feel the way you do and frankly, so do I. However, I've listened to some producers and followed on Twitter and it sounds like the facts are all there but the are seen through the lens of another - in this case, Mr. Kaplan. 

The other thing to keep in mind is that much of what we've learned about the past was through Red's eyes and we mustn't assume he remembers it all as it really happened. 

All of this tips our mythology on its side, but I will say this: the producers are more than away of the fans distrust of them in putting forth what seems to be sloppy continuity and amnesia of facts.

Re: Mr. Kaplan - she is an astonishing character, a phenomenal actress. Bokenkamp, Amir Arison, and Susan Blommeart were at the conference this past weekend and Bokenkamp said nothing but wonderful things about both actors and how they were able to portray complex characters. I got the impression that he'd like to have Mr. Kaplan around for a little while.

On the other hand, he has mentioned how much he loved having Fitch/Alan Alda and did not want to kill him off, but they did. We have to hope that if Kaplan meets her demise, TPBL will find other actors with such depth. They've done a marvelous job (Liz is overshadowed by Spader's commanding presence).

We shall see. We certainly know that Mr. Kaplan is phenomenally resourceful. Maybe she'll rise from the dead repeatedly, in a figurative way.

All of this tips our mythology on its side, but I will say this: the producers are more than away of the fans distrust of them in putting forth what seems to be sloppy continuity and amnesia of facts.

OK. I'll give them a little more benefit of the doubt, but it's hard to explain the whole Hudson affair as someone's drugged up memories. If that were the only problem, I'd let it go, but we've identified about 7 problems, just in this last episode alone.

Anyway, I hope they clean up the presentation a bit by addressing some more loose ends. If they want to have a successful Season 5, they can't keep yanking our collective chains. 
 

I keep wondering why Kaplan seemed so terrified of Alexander Kirk back at the end of Season 3. There's no indication he previously meant harm to Masha/Liz, and he did believe he was her father. I found it strange, we didn't get a scene with Constantin, Katarina and Kate. 

Yes Hudson was an issue, but I do wonder whether they purposely made that a running joke after the first "Hudson replacement" - as there were so many different dogs/breeds.  Just a thought.

Tuxie400 wrote:

I keep wondering why Kaplan seemed so terrified of Alexander Kirk back at the end of Season 3. There's no indication he previously meant harm to Masha/Liz, and he did believe he was her father. I found it strange, we didn't get a scene with Constantin, Katarina and Kate. 

I was thinking it may be because she knew of the blood disorder and was afraid that he would put it together.

I felt like we got cheated out of a little dialog with him at some point.....


 

Getting back to the possible "Red as chauffeur" idea and Red in the rear view mirror.

I'm just thinking that the car had two other interesting "appearances" in the episode - its shown when Katarina returns from a trip (I got the sense that someone collected her and drove her back).  I tried to zoom in on that car and didn't have much luck and I was really trying to see if it was a Cadillac, but I couldn't - its certainly large enough to be one but it could be something like an Olds or Lincoln too, a big car.  

But getting back to the car, interesting that it is in that shot.   They could have just showed Katarina coming through the door and walking upstairs with a suitcase or whatever.

Then, the car is there in the scene when Masha has been abducted.  There are 2 police cars, and as Kaplan nears the front of the house, you can see the car parked close to the house on an angle (kind of like looking at it viewed from the front door) AND that's when it cuts to the photo of Masha and whoever is holding it, just inside the DOOR, who then turns away when Kate comes in.  Like they are connecting the car with whoever was near the doorway, maybe....

It can't be Kirk as he was away.  It can't be "Red" or whoever was Red, as he abducted Masha.  It seems unlikely that's its a police officer, just a gut feeling.

They also didn't have to film the chauffeur in the car in the way that they did - blink and you would miss it (I did first time around, LOL); the side view is a blur, the mirror view is not much longer.  If it was just some factual thing of any driver I think they would have filmed it differently.  Just IMO of course.

So I am thinking more and more there is something to this chauffeur idea......

Anyone have any further thoughts on that?  

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one last observation on my last watch:

Sam describes himself as a grifter.  So was Gregory Devry, as described by Red.  A long time associate of, and someone impersonating our Red.  Hmmm.    So was Red a grifter as well?  Is that another parallel that can be drawn with the impersonator?

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lara1 wrote:

I'm just adding a couple of thoughts back here that got developed a little bit in the Imposter thread - both the idea that Red possibly isn't the real Red and possibly Liz isn't Masha and these may explain the inconsistencies we have been seeing in Kate's conversations/dialog and with things like Liz's scar.

Red
The imposter theory is one explanation of why Kate's memories and some of her  statements then and now are contradictory and don't add up - which was recently discussed on another threat, and had occured to me as a possibility as well - in this theory, in her recollections in Requiem , when Kate speaks of or to Red,   she is speaking of the "real" Red whereas in current times, she 's speaking of or to the imposter Red.   It doesn't explain everything though ( including missing scars on Liz and on Kate) so it  may very well be a memory thing, too, of which we are getting a lot of hints. Or maybe the two theories are meshed in some way, in versions of memories.  

Liz
also - back to the idea of what If Liz is Masha, (or vice versa) heh heh.    One of my thoughts - that's why "Liz" in the Requiem fire flashback doesn't have a scar - maybe there were two girls in fire house (which many of us discussed, the face in the closet, the second girl's room with the other bunny, etc) - and on fire night, one was burned (Liz), one wasn't (Masha).  So in the memory when Katarina brings Masha to the hotel room, she doesn't have a scar on her wrist.  Sometime after that, the girls were swapped.  the real Masha may still be out there
somewhere.  And may be what Kirk left to find.  

We didn't get a good look at Liz's wrist when she was in Sam's house so there may or may not have been a scar. Just a thought.

YES to all of this.  We've thrown around 2 girls theory for quite some time and I think it meshes well with Kate's memory possibly being jacked up. Was Masha (not necessarily our Liz Keen) renamed Elizabeth by Sam? My memory is having trouble recalling S1 & S2 to know when that took place. Then I worry about, "I remember everything", however, maybe those memories were planted there by Krilov and set to activate when Liz was under extreme circumstances. She also learned to speak Russian too.   

I don't know what to believe or where to connect "clues". I get nervous we are shown something and then misdirected or we are led to believe we have been.