The Blacklist Refugees » Episode 4.17 Requiem

Tuxie400 · 4/26/2017 12:17 pm

Most of you check Alyblacklist's tumblr regularly. Did you see ventingblacklist's screencaps that show Kaplan sewing something - and then the focus on the sooty bunny. I think it implies Kate was the one who sewed the Fulcrum in the bunny. What a revelation, if that is true! Kate has to be more involved in the spy business than the other flashbacks lead us to believe. The scene is when Katarina calls her from the beach. So Kaplan apparently stayed in that motel for almost two months, somehow acquired the Fulcrum, put it in the bunny and later sent it to Sam for Liz. My mind is really reeling now! I wonder if Masha had the Fulcrum all along, or she told Kaplan what happened and she went back and found the Fulcrum in the fire rubble.

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Tatiana · 4/26/2017 1:02 pm

Yes! Tuxie, I saw that! Kate sewing the bunny, presumably sewing the fulcrum into it.

Tatiana · 4/26/2017 1:27 pm

Lara! I just found a St. George reference!
Red says to Kate, "Are you familiar with Master James of St. George?"
Castles within castles.

Also, Katarina's maroon outer coat, she's wearing it at Cape May, she wears it when she comes into the nursery, and then it looks like Kate is wearing it at the ice rink as she talks to Raymond on the phone.

lara1 · 4/26/2017 1:56 pm

Tatiana wrote:
Yes! Tuxie, I saw that! Kate sewing the bunny, presumably sewing the fulcrum into it.

Yes, I saw this just now. I noticed the bunny on the table at the time and thought it was weird that Liz was hundreds of miles away with Sam, but the bunny was still in the hotel room. I never noticed Kaplan holding it and sewing it though. Perhaps she put it down then when she answered the phone and that's what I saw.

I am really really interested now. Some of us have been speculating since Mato that Kate what not all that she seemed. Her behavior was maybe cagey, just staying on the right side of Red so as not to be obvious. Some of us even thought the plan to hide Liz in Cuba was Kate working for someone else.

One of my thoughts has always been what if Red turns out all along to have been right about Kaplan? He went with his instinct and dealt with Kate for her betrayal. His instincts are seldom wrong. So, what if it turns out that he was absolutely right to eliminate any chances of future betrayal?

So I am really thinking now more than I did last week that we did not see the entire story. Kate either working with an organization or working with/for Red (our Red). Placed with Kate to spy or otherwise keep an eye on not only Masha, but KR. Who knows what she could have been up to? Did she originally betray Red without him knowing? Maybe not

don't want to get too carried away but what this is very interesting. !! need to look for more clues tomorrow!
LOL

lara1 · 4/26/2017 2:00 pm

Also, this has me re-thinking that computer screen thing. Suppose Kate was looking at something on the "old style" screen, and when Sam came in, she quickly flipped it back to a normal screen.

I don't know when that meeting was supposed to take place with Sam in Nikos' office. Windows was around in 1998 (I bought a new computer at the end of that year and it did have the Windows icons), not sure how much earlier.

Was anyone able to get a screenshot of the two "old style" computer screens that Kate was reading before Sam came in? And what was on them?

Then she turned to Sam and we get a quick glimpse of the Windows screen in its place - maybe she quickly flipped the screen to something else?

Now I am suspicious. Maybe it was a production error, or maybe it was how Kate was remembering it (faulty memory). Maybe something more......

lara1 · 4/26/2017 2:02 pm

Tatiana wrote:
Lara! I just found a St. George reference!
Red says to Kate, "Are you familiar with Master James of St. George?"
Castles within castles.

Also, Katarina's maroon outer coat, she's wearing it at Cape May, she wears it when she comes into the nursery, and then it looks like Kate is wearing it at the ice rink as she talks to Raymond on the phone.

Thanks Tatiana, yes I did pick up the St. George reference! I was mulling over whether that was the significance of it, the way Red engineered his empire, or whether there is more to it, but that was just a brilliant tie in with the architect theme.

Good catch on the coat! I noticed the maroon color, but not that the coat Kate wore at the end was the same as KR had. more interesting.....

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lara1 · 4/26/2017 2:10 pm

Tuxie400 #281 and Tatiana - LOL, project Christmas! I was not a regular Alias watcher but I get the gist. The "campus" would be one way maybe to describe a Russian training school Need to do some more research! And it would make sense if that was where Red took her from.

Another thing I thought of recently - according to Red, the end of the Cold War was very hard on Liz's father, and one of the reasons that he "took" her. I still don't see any evidence of how the Cold War was hard on Red. It still makes me think he is not her father and/or did not take her. It doesn't really fit his MO, unless Masha was being hurt in some way.

I am probably completely wrong, and you will all have a good laugh when whatever the truth is becomes revealed!

lara1 · 4/26/2017 2:19 pm

Tatiana #280 - good points.

I agree with you, but I will add this. It has puzzled me why, if Liz lived with Red for part of the time, why he would have had to go to Cape Breton to take her? Why not just keep her and hide her where he was in the US? Unless it was an impulsive thing, KR tried to break it off one day when he was there and so he just took Masha at the same time.

I also don't understand how Red had time to go back and forth to Cape Breton. It certainly is not the edge of the earth, but a trip from DC; And wasn't Red on missions in the MidEast around that time? I still don't get how Red, just out of the Naval Academy had all these adventures and was a target of KR and had time to go back and forth to Cape Breton. Of course, he says he knew the Summer Palace, we infer that's because he was there. So he may have been. But what if he wasn't? And what if it was someone else? I need to re-watch ep 17 again! LOL. I don't remember if KR or Kate ever call him by name.

But I still don't understand how one person could be running around and doing all of these things at the same time.

As an aside, getting back to kate, I thought it was odd that she asked KR if the man in the car was American. How did she even think that or know that? its not like he had his naval cap on (LOL!!). So now, with the bunny stuff, I have a lot of question marks around her.....

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Tuxie400 · 4/26/2017 3:34 pm

lara1 wrote:
I also don't understand how Red had time to go back and forth to Cape Breton. It certainly is not the edge of the earth, but a trip from DC; And wasn't Red on missions in the MidEast around that time? I still don't get how Red, just out of the Naval Academy had all these adventures and was a target of KR and had time to go back and forth to Cape Breton. Of course, he says he knew the Summer Palace, we infer that's because he was there. So he may have been. But what if he wasn't? And what if it was someone else? I need to re-watch ep 17 again! LOL. I don't remember if KR or Kate ever call him by name..

Katarina calls the American by the name of Raymond twice when she is talking to Kate. The first time is after Masha is abducted. The second time is a phone call when she says U.S. intelligence knows about her affair with Raymond. The last name Reddington is never mentioned.

How many times do you think we have to rewatch this episode to pick up everything? I've watched it three times and missed a lot of things of things others have noticed.

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Honey West · 4/26/2017 3:43 pm

Tuxie400 wrote:
Honey West - "Wouldn't it be something if it turns out they've ALL had their memories tampered with? So nobody knows the truth from a lie." You may be on to something there. Maybe there was something the Soviets didn't want any of them remembering.

"They are all dead ... inside a snow globe." I think you meant that one to be funny. But I've wondered before if this is Red's purgatory - his last chance to redeem himself.

Iowa Watcher - Many colleges and universities have preschools and daycares too. I was thinking Masha was preschool age, so she might be there.

Tatiana - I love your idea about a Soviet spy training campus! Little Masha was at spy school. Shades of Project Christms from Alias.

Yes, Tuxie400, I was referencing the endings of both Lost and St Elsewhere mixed together.

Tuxie400 · 4/26/2017 5:01 pm

Tatiana - What is it with Kate and these look-alike coats? First when she left Mountain Man she was wearing the Dom look'alike brown coduroy jacket and this episode she's wearing a coat that does look very much like the one Katarina was wearing.

lara1 · 4/26/2017 6:55 pm

Tuxie400 #290. I know, right? I have watched it 3x and didn't catch that Kate was sewing.

Lol. But I'm glad that someone caught it. That is something we've all been wondering! And may turn out to be a huge clue!!

IowaWatcher · 4/26/2017 7:36 pm

Will TBL still be able to produce the finale if the writers go on strike May 1? I'm assuming the rest of the season's scripts are written, but maybe there's revisions. Anyone have insights?

Tatiana · 4/26/2017 8:07 pm

IowaWatcher - I know they finished filming and completed season 4 yesterday, Tuesday and so all of the episodes have been filmed and are now in post-production.

lara1 · 4/26/2017 8:35 pm

Tuxie400 wrote:
Tatiana - What is it with Kate and these look-alike coats? First when she left Mountain Man she was wearing the Dom look'alike brown coduroy jacket and this episode she's wearing a coat that does look very much like the one Katarina was wearing.

And did you notice young Kate was wearing a plaid dress? lol

I wonder if the coat is kind of like a clue that she is a shape-shifter spy - someone other than who she appears. Or maybe turncoat?

but it is strange that she was wearing Dom's coat and now Katerinas'.

Honey West · 4/26/2017 9:15 pm

lara1 wrote:
Tuxie400 #290. I know, right? I have watched it 3x and didn't catch that Kate was sewing.

Lol. But I'm glad that someone caught it. That is something we've all been wondering! And may turn out to be a huge clue!!

LOL! I saw that she was sewing but I didn't see the bunny!

Tuxie400 · 4/26/2017 10:23 pm

Honey West wrote:
LOL! I saw that she was sewing but I didn't see the bunny!

I saw the bunny but not the needle and thread. LOL

Tuxie400 · 4/26/2017 10:27 pm

This is not really about Requiem but about the episode we saw the call sheet for (#20 maybe) that had Liz and Samar finding D______'s body. I thought it would be Dembe's body. Honeywest thought the name was longer and would match Donald. What if it's Daddy's body, as in the man little Liz called Daddy in the fire memories? That would be pretty amazing.

Honey West · 4/26/2017 10:51 pm

Well, I know one D that it is not. Go to 4.18 spoilers to see.

lara1 · 4/26/2017 10:59 pm

Tuxie400 - lol, me too, I saw the bunny but not that she was sewing.

Tuxie400 and Honey West - they find that body on a beach or near a pier or something, don't they?
I'm still no closer to guessing who it is!

It really sounds like they are turning the series on its head with all of the stuff that will happen between now and the finale. It is starting to get worrying as I think there will be someone who won't be left standing at the end of it. Plus what the fallout will be.

But its been a while since TBL was this riveting, real edge of your seat stuff - the makings of great television.