Tuxie400 wrote:

Tatiana - Good point about Kaplan being a secret keeper.  I think there are things she won't admit to herself - like Liz getting burned in the fire. Like I said before, as a caretaker, she doesn't want to remember any pain to her little charge. 

Good point, Tuxie.  And maybe Kate felt a little guilty - she wasn't at the house for some reason when Masha was taken.  I am not sure where she was (in the woods?  Hmmmm- that raises some other questions but for now - ) but she was away from the house and when she came back Masha was gone.  
 

Yes, lara1, I would say Kaplan feels guilty about Masha being kidnapped. But was Masha at the house when it happened or at a schoo?. Katarina said a blond man was seen leaving the campus. The word campus implies schoolgrounds.  Was Masha at preschool at the time of the kidnapping? The Rostov property would more accurately be called a compound. Maybe Kaplan was taking a walk until time for Masha to return from preschool ... or burying another of Katarina's bodies.

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lara1 wrote:

oh yeah, back to #255, I just remembered - in Cape May, KR runs into the ocean, its the winter (of course as Red is remembering the actual event, I think), and Red brings her inside in front of the fire, wraps her in blankets, puts the heat way up etc.

Which would seem to match up with her actually going into the water as the newspaper article reports, in very cold temperatures and Red working to fend off a body shut down due to hypothermia.

So I think KR would only be alive if someone else (that she knew) pulled her out of the water or she immediately swam back to shore.  which presumably would have been seen.  Just my own thoughts.  Personally, I'd rather that she were still alive.  But if she is, I'm trying to think of how that happened.

Of course since this is the BL universe, its possible that story was a plant - fake news. LOL  

And that is precisely why I have always thought that Red was there at Cape May. If he was remembering past events (with an opium chaser) then he probably witnessed her going into the water back in the past. And if that deleted scene was Sam bringing Liz to Cape May, it might also make sense that they both went into the water and Red tried to save them, but of course, only one of them. Red told Liz that she committed suicide because the man she loved had been killed by the child she adored. Which has always made me think that Katarina believed Red was dead because of the fire. She couldn't go on, and decided to take her baby with her. The question becomes did Red save them both or, as he concludes in "Cape May", that he really did save Katarina by saving Liz. But Katarina died.

lara1 wrote:

Well, Tuxie that was certainly an odd word, campus.  It can refer to school but it seems like not where a preschool would be.  Then, it could be the grounds of Summer Palace - which seemed extensive, but yes, would more likely be called a compound.

So is "campus" one of those mistake type things pointing to Kaplan having memory or related issues?
Just food for thought.  Other than that, I don't know what a campus reference would be.

Is there a college somewhere nearby? What was the name of the town where the Summer Palace was located?

lara1 wrote:

Although, having said that, I can't remember when Marvin was put in jail.  LOL.  Maybe another law office then, wasn't his girlfriend a paralegal that he met in the law office?  it could have been where Marvin worked before his arrest, something like that

I used to work in a law office, I just get that vibe from it, could be wrong, though

He was in jail from what I remember.

Honey West #267 - that thought did occur to me.  And little glitches are popping in.  If Red had Liz's memories changed, he could have arranged this for Kaplan too I suppose.  The question is why.

Maybe Kaplan doesn't know everything after all.

Eastcoast #235 - Elise/Janet had a burn mark on her inner right wrist.  It is visible in the scene where Ressler and Navabi enter Aram's apartment and Elise is sitting on Aram's bed.  A medic is holding her arm and Elise is touching it also.  That's where its visible.  It's not like Liz's scar, sorry if I was unclear, but its a burn mark.  It may have just been from something that held her wrists together.  I don't remember if they said she was tied up or just locked in the closet.  But its there, on the same wrist and same side of the wrist as Liz's scar.  No where near as big, though.

A campus isn't just a school. It can also be a group of office and other buildings belonging to a company like Apple's Cupertino HQ is called a campus. Although we Mac Folk usually call it The Mothership.
So maybe Constantin's company or one of his companies or affiliates has an office campus nearby? remember Kirk said he came home one day to find his family gone. That would have been pretty ballsy of Red to have grabbed her right out from under Kirk's nose, though. But I wouldn't put it past him to do exactly that. Or he could have just returned to Cape Breton from a business trip, I suppose.

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Yes, campus has several different applications.  I just thought it was a strange term to throw out there.  Either they are introducing new info we didn't know before (KR taught part time? Kirk's company had offices there, and why would Masha be there, it's a mystery), or its an oddity or other thing.  

I always got the impression that Kirk was only at the Summer Palace part time - didn't Red say something like he escaped the harsh winters of Nov.....forget the name of the Russian town.  I just thought he was away a lot.

It so interesting to read everyone's interpretation of things.  I always had the impression that Masha was snatched from home when Kirk was away.  He came back to find Masha and KR missing.  Did Red have an accomplice who helped him?  Probably not.  So the circumstances surrounding Masha's actual kidnapping are lacking in a few details still.

Yes, why did Kirk say that there was no fire.  That has not been explained.  Masha and KR were clearly covered in soot and it was on TV.  Really odd.  (or normal for TBL!)  

I love this show!!!

lara1 wrote:

I always got the impression that Kirk was only at the Summer Palace part time - didn't Red say something like he escaped the harsh winters of Nov.....forget the name of the Russian town.  I just thought he was away a lot.

It so interesting to read everyone's interpretation of things.  I always had the impression that Masha was snatched from home when Kirk was away.  He came back to find Masha and KR missing.  Did Red have an accomplice who helped him?  Probably not.  So the circumstances surrounding Masha's actual kidnapping are lacking in a few details still.

Yes, why did Kirk say that there was no fire.  That has not been explained.  Masha and KR were clearly covered in soot and it was on TV.  Really odd.  (or normal for TBL!)  

I love this show!!!

Lara - great points as usual :-)

First, Kirk lived in Novosibirsk located in the south west of Siberia. It's actually a thriving city and considered to be the third largest city in Russia. It is called the "Chicago" of Russia as a booming city of industry. scientific research, and culture. Certainly Cape Breton is quite a ways away.

Second, this is what Red said to Kirk, "She lived at… at your house as your daughter… on and off for… four years. Sometimes you were there, sometimes you weren’t." So Masha lived in the Summer Palace off and on for four years. I take that to mean she was kind of 'joint custody' between Red and Katarina. At least that's how I read it. It would explain the height marks behind the wall at the Tacoma house that go up to 3 years of age then stop. I think after she turned 3, Katarina 'wouldn't let' him see her anymore. He kidnapped her and brought her back to the states. But they were living downtown. Eventually that's where the fire takes place.

Third, to Kirk, there was no fire. Katarina and Masha just disappeared. It broke his heart, but he never found out where they were. He never knew about the fire because no one identified who was in the fire or who was living there. Of course, the man calls her "Elizabeth" so she was living under an assumed name so there would be no way Kirk would be able to identify her.