Although, having said that, I can't remember when Marvin was put in jail.  LOL.  Maybe another law office then, wasn't his girlfriend a paralegal that he met in the law office?  it could have been where Marvin worked before his arrest, something like that

I used to work in a law office, I just get that vibe from it, could be wrong, though

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OK, I have an idea about the burn on the wrist and why little Liz didn't seem to have one when KR brought her to the hotel room.

In the pilot, Liz comments to little Beth that her Daddy gave her the scar (whatever that means) and that she rubs it to be brave, and Red notices Liz doing that as well - kind of like an anxiety reaction.

Several of us commented that after the fire Liz didn't seem to have a burn on her wrist.  However, we also noted that she sort of grabbed (maybe rubbed or touched) her wrist with both hands on top of the bunny in her lap.  There was a close up of that.  She couldn't have a new burn, that would not make sense, it would be very painful and raw.

We really can't see her wrist because in that scene and afterwards, she is wearing long sleeves.  When she raises her arms to fix her hair in the hotel room, we just see, quickly, a sooty arm.  if there was an actual new burn it would have been obvious, though I think.

Suppose Liz already had the scar?  And she was clasping her wrist because of the stress of the fire and shooting whoever she shot?  Her fire memories were messed up.  suppose that's not where she got the scar?

Of course that begs the question, how did she get the scar.  and who was "Daddy"? who gave it to her.  

What do you all think?

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lara1 wrote:

Although, having said that, I can't remember when Marvin was put in jail.  LOL.  Maybe another law office then, wasn't his girlfriend a paralegal that he met in the law office?  it could have been where Marvin worked before his arrest, something like that

I used to work in a law office, I just get that vibe from it, could be wrong, though

 
One of my initial thoughts was that it was Marvin Gerard's office. But the wall posters made me think maybe not. Unless Marvin did a lot of pro bono work for unemployed recently released felons or something where job placement or counseling was part of what his office provided?

Iowa Watcher #245 - that's very possible.  Or maybe the wrist holding was meant to signal a burn but it doesn't make sense.  both KR and Kate would have been all over an injury to Masha.

They inconsistncies in the epsiode seem to have added up, though which is why I question it.

KR calls Constantin Alexander, when he did not yet have that name, there are car ads for 2000 model cars in the classified ads Kate looks at; the article about KR drowning, the right side under the overall headline makes no sense, there are two different (historical) computer screens shown in the scene with Kaplan/Sam, and the strange Katarina looking legs when Kate meets Red in the shadows.  

So, a handful, yes, but that seems like a lot.  So it makes me wonder again if its showing that Kate's memories are unreliable, perhaps due to her head injuries.  Maybe she mis-remembered KR being hurt (she said that in the scene), whereas it was Masha.  I didn't see any serious injury on KR.  Just a thought.

LOL

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lara1 wrote:

KR calls Constantin Alexander, when he did not yet have that name, there are car ads for 2000 model cars in the classified ads Kate looks at; the article about KR drowning, the right side under the overall headline makes no sense, there are two different (historical) computer screens shown in the scene with Kaplan/Sam, and the strange Katarina looking legs when Kate meets Red in the shadows.  

Yeah, and I thought she knew him before this? he put her in her arms as a baby? 'Mr. Kaplan, 'my better half'? I was in a fire, my father gave me this scar', a friend, 'he' brought her to Sam's house, etc.
It doesn't add up. If I didn't believe differently, I would say they did this on purpose, but I don't think they did. I sure hope they explain the gaps before the season's out. 
 

I took this morning off for a dental appointment and have to get back to work in a few minutes, but here's my two thoughts on the Constantine/Alexander problem:

1. It's a production error
2. The writers/producer went with Alexander because they didn't think enough viewers would remember who Constantine was.

My vote is with #1, and I agree with you, Tatiana: the only way this episode really makes sense is that Kate's memories are not reliable.

I wish we did have a clear answer from the show runners on several of these points, but I suspect we'll have to wait until the series wraps. There may have been a practical reason for not showing young Liz with a burn: perhaps the right make-up artists weren't in the budget or unavailable at that time. Still, they could've solved that problem with a bandage and referring to it with two or three sentences.

I don't know, and I'll take up some of these questions after the next episode, although I'm not holding my breath for a lot of enlightenment.

I do think TBL will be renewed one more season, but I think Redemption is toast from what I've been reading around the net.

Tuxie400 wrote:

Tatiana - Why couldn't the discrepancies be on purpose? I pretty much trust the writers and showrunners. So I'm thinking most of these changes do have a purpose. We just don't know what it is yet.

Doesn't this episode feel sort of like an alternate universe.?LOL  Like one of the many in Fringe, or the sideways world in Lost.  It's also similar to early in Season 4 when Alexander Kirk denied there was a fire in which Liz shot her father.
 

Tuxie400 - you know I was thinking, this Requiem episode is like Kate's Cape May.  She reaches a crisis in her life, is re-thinking everything that got her to this point (as did Red in Cape May, in his way), and comes to a decision.  Well, Red had the help of hallucinations!!  But what if, as some of us are saying, Kate's memories are not all that clear?

I still want to watch Requiem followed directly by Cape May.  I wonder if there are more parallels that might help us.
 

oh yeah, back to #255, I just remembered - in Cape May, KR runs into the ocean, its the winter (of course as Red is remembering the actual event, I think), and Red brings her inside in front of the fire, wraps her in blankets, puts the heat way up etc.

Which would seem to match up with her actually going into the water as the newspaper article reports, in very cold temperatures and Red working to fend off a body shut down due to hypothermia.

So I think KR would only be alive if someone else (that she knew) pulled her out of the water or she immediately swam back to shore.  which presumably would have been seen.  Just my own thoughts.  Personally, I'd rather that she were still alive.  But if she is, I'm trying to think of how that happened.

Of course since this is the BL universe, its possible that story was a plant - fake news. LOL  

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extract on discussion of hypothermia due to water immersion, from Wikopeadia

"Heat is lost much more quickly in water than in air. Thus, water temperatures that would be quite reasonable as outdoor air temperatures can lead to hypothermia in survivors, although this is not usually the direct clinical cause of death for those who are not rescued. A water temperature of 10 °C (50 °F) can lead to death in as little as one hour, and water temperatures near freezing can cause death in as little as 15 minutes. A notable example of this occurred during the sinking of the Titanic, when most people who entered the −2 °C (28 °F) water died in 15–30 minutes.The actual cause of death in cold water is usually the bodily reactions to heat loss and to freezing water, rather than hypothermia (loss of core temperature) itself. For example, plunged into freezing seas, around 20% of victims die within 2 minutes from cold shock (uncontrolled rapid breathing, and gasping, causing water inhalation, massive increase in blood pressure and cardiac strain leading to cardiac arrest, and panic); another 50% die within 15–30 minutes from cold incapacitation (inability to use or control limbs and hands for swimming or gripping, as the body "protectively" shuts down the peripheral muscles of the limbs to protect its core). Exhaustion and unconsciousness cause drowning, claiming the rest within a similar time."

If Katerina survived and is still alive (which I hope is the case) its possible that someone gave to the authorities, or the newspaper, that detail about her walking into the frigid water.  What I mean is, she may have left her clothes on the beach but never entered the water.  Someone whom she trusted may have said that, to complete the deception.

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Tatiana - Good point about Kaplan being a secret keeper.  I think there are things she won't admit to herself - like Liz getting burned in the fire. Like I said before, as a caretaker, she doesn't want to remember any pain to her little charge.