Red in the rear view mirror - when i re-watched, i just didn't see this. And boy, did i ever want to, LOL!

Its hard to see becuase its two images one over the other, but it looks like we see the driver looking back at Kate so there are 2 faces so to speak. Remindsme of those 2 over-images of the girls faces in the closet in the fire memories  So anyway, the glasses may be Kate's

Although having said that, its odd to me to include that scene. Why not just show the driver instead of that double image mirror effect?  Under the cap ( which is hard to see but may just be a chauffeur's cap) the hair is like Red's,so is this a clue that Red did initially send Kate in there, or was behind it in some way whether she knew it or not?

lara1 wrote:

So i watched the scene where KR brings Liz to the hotel room several times.

I saw nothing to show a scar on Liz's wrist. At one point she puts up both her hands to push back her hair, its hard to see, but to me it looks like no scar/ wound, only a sooty arm. And. Katerina was not burned on her back. In fact there was nothing but a rip at the shoulder of her sweater.

When Liz and Kate are playing Go Fish a week later, there is nothing to show a bandage on a wrist wound. Just a long sleeved sweater. Also, in that scene, Kaplan in fact is holding Liz by her wrists at one
Point, where she is talking to her . I would have thought that would be painful for Liz if she had a fresh burn.

In the hotel room after the fire, Liz does hold her wrist briefly but that's more like she is just clasping her hands on her bunny which is on her lap. Plus wouldnt it be painful to grasp a new burn with raw skin?

Yes, the lack of Liz's burned wrist is so puzzling. I couldn't tell if Katarina was injured or not. Kate did say, "You're injured," but I couldn't tell where Katarina's injury was. Then the scene with Kate grabbing Liz's wrists made no sense. Could it be Liz was burned at a later time?

You know, I think we're better off not to think about any of this very hard. I'm chalking most of this weirdness up to Kate's brain injures.
 

IowaWatcher wrote:

Honey West wrote:

Although I still thing he was shot in shadow to allow Spader to be able to get away with playing his much younger self.

Of course! And that's the practical reason it was done, but I thought of one that fit the storyline!  (:

See what happens when I get a little sleep?

Loved your description of the ocean! I've visited and seen it like that. Thanks for the memories!

 
LOL, I actually got enough sleep for a change! It didn't help!

lara1 wrote:

Red in the rear view mirror - when i re-watched, i just didn't see this. And boy, did i ever want to, LOL!

Its hard to see becuase its two images one over the other, but it looks like we see the driver looking back at Kate so there are 2 faces so to speak. Remindsme of those 2 over-images of the girls faces in the closet in the fire memories So anyway, the glasses may be Kate's

Although having said that, its odd to me to include that scene. Why not just show the driver instead of that double image mirror effect? Under the cap ( which is hard to see but may just be a chauffeur's cap) the hair is like Red's,so is this a clue that Red did initially send Kate in there, or was behind it in some way whether she knew it or not?

When I rewatched today, I did see the mirror images. But they went by so fast, it's very difficult to notice. I do now think the glasses at first are Kate's glasses and not Red's. I also agree that the hair on the capped man is close-cropped like Red's. When I first saw the screencap set, I was more swayed that it was Reddington. Now I don't know what to think about it.
 

Ok, so i think Kate's memories are messed up. I saw two things that i think support this:

- when Kate is reading the paper in the bar, i froze the screen to see if i could see a date esp in the article about katarina. When Kate circles the mortuary ad, there are a bunch of ads for cars on the left hand side. They are for 2005, 2003 and 2001 model cars. That is impossible

- when Sam goes to visit Kate at little Nikos, i also froze the screen to see if Kate's computer screen had a date Anywhere on it. The first shot of the screen is an old computer, its the black screen with simple text and blinking cursor ( old UNIX?). When Sam walks in and Kate turns to him, the computer screen is different - its bright green Windows with Windows icons. I didn't catch whether the computer itself is different, but it may be. Maybe someone could check for that?

Anyway I'm not sure when the Windows icons came in to use, but i think the 2 different computer screens are like the two different phones that red saw on the reception desk in Cape May

So I am back to my original thoughts that her memories have somehow been impacted. Im not sure we can trust all of them

And back to 209, that made me think of the musical instrument newspaper ad, was it, that was a secret cue between Red and Dembe how to contact him, something like that?  In the episode in season 3 when Dembe is with Vargas, and Vargas then shoots him.

So maybe the car ads were the same secret cue for Red and Kaplan. Maybe thats why it leaked into her memory. Maybe.

Tuxie 400 #212. It may be production messing up - that was my first thought with the newspaper car ads  But equally the weird other side if the article ( i noticed it too) might be an indicator of the reliability of the memory. With the computer, if the screens are different, that 's one thing, but if the computers are entirely different ( have to check that) i think its the memory as i think once the scene is set up, i doubt they 'd switch out computers.  And the (weirder the more i think about it) "katarina legs". Lol.

I wonder if there are more. I feel like its a game of Red 's Highlights or "Spot the Differences". Lol

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I'd forgotten about Hudson. That's true.

I wonder if someone will go through and do some editing on the final DVD collection?
 

Tuxie400- somewhere in here i think you said that current Kate is wearing plaid in most scenes.  True!  And her skirt in that scene where she witnesses KR kill the guy in the kitchen.  Hmmm

The other odd thing i meant to say on my re-watch is that after Kate sees KR making out in the car, back in the kitchen, the first question she asks KR is if he is American. Now that to me is an odd thing to say.  Not based on what she saw. So, did she know him(Red) and testing KR?  I dont know its a strange thing to come out with based on no information

Also - did you notice that Katarina mainly wears striped tops?  In the intervirpew scene, the kitchen fight, after the fire. Hmmm

lara1 wrote:

Tatiana, iowa waycher - and then the original Hudson pops up in Redemption as the dog in Tom"s fake marriage in Independence! Lol well Hudson is a spy dog! And can apparently change appearance! Lol

I had forgotten about that, too. Yes! That's true.

In the real world, I suspect that was a logistics problem rather than a continuity issue. Didn't the first Hudson die? Am I remembering that correctly from the last forum? (I don't have time to go over there and search). In any case, with all the deadlines, unless the dog belongs to a cast member or a producer, I can see how having the same dog around for cameo shots could be problematic. It would've been better to have Liz "fostering dogs" for some shelter. That way, the differences are easily explained and missing dogs could be referred to as "adopted" if a dog was needed for the script. I can only think of one case: the night Tom Bond disappeared -- otherwise, no dogs were really needed, but I like to see them now and again.

Yes, and what will happen to MM's dog? Did it get blown up? That's sad.