Honey West, I thought the same about that comment from Red to Liz, unless it was him and he regretted that he got involved with Katarina because of all the stuff that went wrong.....

Fitch would be an interesting candidate....especially if Red had unrequited love for K:  would give new meaning to his words to Red, "you and I weren't on the best of terms at the time" something like that.  

I saw a symbol somewhere in an episode recently around Red that meant unrequited love.  I can't recall what it was, I have to remember.  Well everything certainly is "complicated"!  

Interesting of course none of the candidates for the role of Liz's father was exactly, um, dead, 25 years ago.   the mystery continues.....   

Honey West #141, lara1 #142: Yeah, that's where something seems off to me. According to Red, Rostov is the only man KR ever truly loved. But her diary is saying she fell in love with someone else, an American who was her target.

And the diary is supposed to be real, right? Wasn't that in an interview?

But then the diary implies KR night might leave with Raymond, when we do know she did follow Liz's father to America (according to Red, the non-liar)

Just can't get things to work out so it all matches up! 

Any theories on how Kate (Mr. Kaplan) is found or makes her way back into crime society?

Mine?

Dembe's continued grief over Kate's shooting sends him back into the Canadian woods - just as Kate has got her strength up and entered into discussion with the mountain man - after a brief struggle the mountain man succumbs to the dual menace of Kate & Dembe (Kate & Dembe? - sounds like some crazy left-wing folk group from the 60s)

And Dembe brings back Kate to face Reddington! Fireworks? Hmmm.....

Big Badd Bazzer wrote:

Any theories on how Kate (Mr. Kaplan) is found or makes her way back into crime society?

Well, now that you mention it, my thoughts are that Dembe feels guilty about Red just leaving Kate for the buzzards. He obviously didn't see Red take a shovel out there, so he has to figure that was not a very dignified way to leave her. Even though she betrayed Red, she still had many years of loyal service in with her ex-employer. So I think Dembe goes back to give Kate a decent burial but finds her gone. Then Dembe has to decide what to do on his own, because he probably didn't tell Red what he was going to do. So here's Dembe with a real quandary. Does he go back and tell Red that he went back to bury Kate's body only to find her gone? Or does he try to figure it out on his own and keep it a secret from Red? Hmmmm. Decisions, decisions! None of them will be good and any of them could possibly damage his relationship with Red big time. Not to mention what might happen if he is the one who finds Kate and has a run-in with Mountain Man. Unless, of course, Kate has already managed to escape from him. We don't know enough about him to really guess at any of that. For all we know he's either a crazy isolationist who lives totally off the grid or he is another former spy who moved far away to escape "the pack" like Dom. Then again, Mountain Man could also capture Dembe. Then what? Red wouldn't know where he went either.
This could play out many ways.
 

Re: Mr. Kaplan, my prediction: less than 60 seconds of screen time. I also predict that Dembe won't do anything, yet. I think they will save that storyline for the mid-season cliff-hanger.

lara1 wrote:

I have tried to figure out if The thrushes has any symbolism.  Apart from a bird, and the element of air, apparently thrushes are known for their song, and some types of thrushes are said to have the most beautiful birdsong in all of N. america.  Thrushes are also monogamous (gosh did I spell that correctly?) and territorial.

I guess we will see whether this has any bearing on the episode.  Its probably just the last name of two brothers or something!  LOL 

BBB - I think its quite possible that Dembe's remorse drives him to go back to the scene of the crime.  I'm not sure whether this happens right away or takes a while.  Whether or not he tells Red that he is doing this, I can't figure out, and where it goes from there will be very interesting indeed.  

I did think I caught a brief glimpse of Kaplan and mountain man in the overall NBC promo for tonight.

Both your opinion and Honey W's are congruent with mine. Dembe has extreme remorse about Kate's execution by their boss - knowing it could just as easily be him - no matter how much positive history they've had over the decades. He goes back with the simple intent of providing Kate a decent burial (certainly not to report it to police authorities where body identification might cause problems for Team Red)

Ends with Dembe and/or Kate subduing/killing mountain man - and then Kate (now a renowned party-planner) hatching a plot to re-introduce her into The Red Circle! (with Dembe's assistance, no doubt)

Also, Kate might have better intel on Kirk than Red currently has - thus her twist is going after Kirk with the idea of rescuing Baby A.

That would make for immaculate story-telling - diverse groups going after Kirk (Post Office, Red Circle, Kate w/ Dembe, Cabal w/ intel from dishonest Christine Lahti, etc.)

Can't see mountain man being privy to the plans - hence, his demise easily predicted!
 

lara1 wrote:

I wonder why Kirk is not part of the Cabal? 

You know, I don't think we know that for sure, do we? But I kind of think he is not. He may be one of the green players on the map. Or more likely, a blue one, a Cabal opponent. When Red showed Liz that map I wondered which color he was - green or blue. Then he got himself an "in" with the Cabal through Laurel Hitchin. So does that now make Red red?  He has a "seat at the table" after breaking the Cabal down, so now he has influence with that group. Is that how he gains power for his group? He doesn't go in and strong-arm his way, guns blazing, he uses tactical means to consolidate his power. It's probably all key to whatever it is that he's trying to prevent happening. My other thought on that was what if he's not trying to prevent something, but is actually trying to make something happen? I do still see Red's role as being one who keeps things in balance amongst all of the global factions that really run things. Not letting one group get too powerful and mess it up for everyone else.
 

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