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A while back lara1 and I discussed the recurring use of mirrors as symbols in BL. So far, this season we've had the Red/Constantin standoff with the two-way mirror, Red's image reflected in a flower painting, and Mr. Kaplan seeing her bloody reflection in the water. The pilot had Liz looking in her bathroom mirror, and Season 3 began with Red seeing first seeing Liz as a blonde in a mirrored wall. Then there was the looking glass in Mr. Solomon Part I at the wedding when we saw Liz, Red, Cooper, and Tom reflected. Why so many mirrors and what do they symbolize?
Mirrors are symbols of identity, and identity is one of the main themes in this show. Mirrors are also symbolic of illumination, awareness, and truth. Liz's journey is about all these things. Finally, mirrors reveal what you are ready to see.
Any other thoughts on the mirror symbolism? Also, Kaplan's water reflection in that last ep looks much worse that what I see on her face. I'm wondering if she sees her face not as it is, but as it was that night on the road when when her head was split open. Also, there seem to be other faces in that water. Have any of you looked closely at that reflection?
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Tuxie400 #1 - Interesting observation on the water reflection and Kaplan. Yes I thought her injury looked much worse in that reflection. I will take another look to see other faces...wow
The other thing I was thinking with the mirror was identity/illusion. If I think back in the series on who we see reflected in mirrors, its mainly Liz, Tom, Red and sometimes Red/Liz. Lots of scenes with Tom changing identity and looking in the mirror - in particular that scene when Liz and he are renewing their "vows" in season 1 I think, and where he is shaving and talking to his "brother" about how his brother thinks Liz is onto him (tom).
The strangest mirror scene for me was in Cape May where both Red and Katarina are facing he mirror above the fireplace and Red talks to her without turning around, i.e. kind of talking to her reflection. And the 2 way mirror image in 4.01 among others.
And in 4.02, when Liz is in the dining room of the summer palace, her image is reflected in a mirror of some sort. Really interested in any thoughts anyone else may have on this topic. Alice through the Looking Glass?
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lara1 #2 - On Kaplan's reflection, maybe the rocks and leaves in the water just make it look like there are other faces there. We know she has identity issues. Her name really isn't Mr. Kaplan. I wonder if she will tell her rescuer her real name.
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I'll need to take another look, but I had thought that if Kate saw anything besides herself that she maybe saw the man behind her.
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Tuxie400 #1: I also felt like Mr. Kaplan's face looked worse in the reflection in the water. I wondered if maybe she was hallucinating a bit about her past injury that she and Red had just talked about. Or if she felt a death foreshadow of some kind. At any rate, it was creepy.
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Tabasko - I agree that reflection was creepy!
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Mirrors:
Mr. Kaplan's reflection in the water. - Several thoughts: she saw her face partially as it was before her "head was split open"; she realized how badly she was injured; she saw a different face than who she is; she saw an amalgam of several different people in her reflection. I did not think she saw the man, but I'll have to re-watch
Mirrors in other art media:
"The Lady from Shanghai" - this is marvelous!
"Citizen Kane" the mirror scene in the movie "Citizen Kane" - after going on a rampage, he clings to the snow globe, Rosebud. He slowly walks through a corridor of mirrors which fractures his image into multiple images, reflecting his fragented and broken life.
Impressionist art - focuses on reflection and light and color. Frequently depicts water/reflections and mirrors.
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Agree with all that the reflection was scary. When I first saw it I thought that the damage to her head was too intense to even show any other way. Luckily that was not the case. But it was creepy.
There was a screen cap floating around of that scene but I can't find it. Will have to re-watch (never a problem!)
Tatiana #7 - interesting thoughts! They use mirrors a lot in the series and fit it in so well that for quite a while, I didn't realize it except for the really obvious cases (maybe everyone else did, LOL). Like the mirror in 3.01 that Tuxie400 mentioned - where Red first sees Liz with her blond hair, in a mirror and has to then turn around. Hmmmm
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Tatiana - Excellent ways to describe what she saw!
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Fractured mirrors? I am thinking about mirrors in Season 4 thus far. We have the bulletproof glass mirror which Red tries to shoot through which though he can't shoot through it, still has some damage (fractures) when he does so.
Then we have the sort of moving image of Kaplan in the water, then her fractured glasses. Latest is the mirror image with Kirk during episode 4 - we see him reflected with Agnes by 3 (3 images).
I feel like they are gently guiding us towards a broken mirror coming up. So will an illusion be shattered, we will find out that Liz's parentage is more complicated (kirk x 3), or what? interesting if they are building up to something like that.
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Oops, I meant for my Hitchcock referenced post to end up here. Let me see if I can move it.
Couldn't figure out how to move it so deleted it and hopefully here it is:
Ah, Tatiana and lara1, Strangers on a Train, what a great movie! In college I took a class called The Films of Alfred Hitchcock and that was one that we studied. We discussed and dissected the films a lot like we do here. another great one if you've never seen it is Shadow of a Doubt. I don't remember how many films we studied but it was an entire semester and we did about one a week. North by Northwest was one of them. I got the Mr Kaplan reference right away as someone's nod to a favorite film. A couple of years ago I finally visited Mt Rushmore and all I could think about was Cary Grant and Eva Marie Saint scrambling around on the faces.
But, getting back to subject of mirrors and reflections and doubles. Definitely something going on here as well. One of Hitchcock's greatest visuals is the Strangers murder shown as being reflected in the victim's eyeglasses. And later in The Birds one of the schoolgirls loses her glasses in an attack and they are broken. Hitchcock's films are also full of mistaken identities and doppelgängers. In The Blacklist it may be more a case of switched identities, rather than mistaken. I am very interested in seeing where they take some of these things that they seem to be laying the groundwork for.
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I'm five seconds away from passing out, and I haven't had time to properly delve into this interesting theory, but I did notice something not too long ago, and that is this:
In The Artax Network, Dom's cup is a checkered pattern coffee mug, with edging at the bottom, and he's sitting with Red, discussing the loss of Lizzy. In Esteban, Red is sitting at a table, consuming a beverage from the same mug, discussing with said Blacklister, the prospects of finding Lizzy. And so the mug is a kind of mirrored bookend, of sorts.
I don't imagine it would factor too terribly much into the grand scheme of things--only that it was a nice little detail. (And I only noticed the mug, because I have the same one sitting in my cabinet.) ^-^
It also kind of mirrors nicely, the way in which Cooper and Tom met in the same Chinese restaurant that Red's opium den was on the other side of, in season 3. Because you have Cooper and Tom confronting reality and plotting to save Liz towards the start of the season--and then later on, you have Red on the other side of the wall, doing his best to ditch reality, as the realization of Elizabeth's death sets in.
I suspect there's a lot of little instances like the noted above. Just quick snippets that don't necessarily mean anything grand, but overall add to this kind of cyclical mirror-type deal.
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deadskie13 wrote:
I'm five seconds away from passing out, and I haven't had time to properly delve into this interesting theory, but I did notice something not too long ago, and that is this:
In The Artax Network, Dom's cup is a checkered pattern coffee mug, with edging at the bottom, and he's sitting with Red, discussing the loss of Lizzy. In Esteban, Red is sitting at a table, consuming a beverage from the same mug, discussing with said Blacklister, the prospects of finding Lizzy. And so the mug is a kind of mirrored bookend, of sorts.
I don't imagine it would factor too terribly much into the grand scheme of things--only that it was a nice little detail. (And I only noticed the mug, because I have the same one sitting in my cabinet.) ^-^
It also kind of mirrors nicely, the way in which Cooper and Tom met in the same Chinese restaurant that Red's opium den was on the other side of, in season 3. Because you have Cooper and Tom confronting reality and plotting to save Liz towards the start of the season--and then later on, you have Red on the other side of the wall, doing his best to ditch reality, as the realization of Elizabeth's death sets in.
I suspect there's a lot of little instances like the noted above. Just quick snippets that don't necessarily mean anything grand, but overall add to this kind of cyclical mirror-type deal.
deadskie13 - really good observations. And yes, the mirrors again, 2 sides of same image sort of. I bet that in my next re-watch of the series (probably not till summer, LOL) I will see all sorts of "mirroring" now that I'm looking for it.
And I'm going to check out the mug. Reason being, firstly I love to go back and look at what others noticed and I didn't; and, when I first looked at the St. Nicholas icon on the wall in Red's apartment, I thought the robe St. Nicholas was wearing was a checkerboard -pattern it does looks like that form a distance. When you look closer, you realize that it is a pattern of black crosses on a white background. .And, Dom as well as Red having the mug, and maybe "Domi-nick" for Dom's name
And I just made another reference from "Nick" to Red - his chess and checkers mentions throughout the series....
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I just finished watching Leonard Caul again, and I was thinking that Caul is a bit of a mirror to Red.
What I mean is, Caul is quiet, keeps to himself, hides in the shadows/doesn't draw attention, knows a LOT about technology, isn't afraid to cough up answers, only looks out for himself (Red's been accused of this by Ressler--but I think by now we know that's not true), is willing to run away/not much of a fighter, seems to live a modest sort of life (older car, not a flashy dresser, etc...), does his poking around in a subtle kind of way, and has kept his world pretty small.
And then, there's Red. Larger-than-life and such. :D
And I don't know. It just sort of looks a bit like they're foil characters, almost. Personality wise, at least. And I kind of sort of think I made this whole post just because I miss Leonard, and I hope he makes his way back into the scene at some point in time this season. He's a good character, and a nice counter-part to Reddington. ^-^
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deadskie13 #14: That is a really interesting comparison.
I really agree....I loved Leonard Caul. I was thrilled when he came back around and was assisting Red. I hope he does return.
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