Thanks Tatiana!  They are making out in the promo that Dembe has turned on Red, but I think the opposite.  

I now think that Dembe realized that the Scotch was poisoned by someone else and starts to put info together.  Kaplan could have done it as she had access to the flat.  Darn! if only they still had that clock spy camera in the flat!  LOL

I'm not sure why Dembe seems to be going it alone though (apart from kidnapping Aram!).  Maybe he feels that it is his responsibility to handle.  Or he feels he needs to be away from Red while he is proving his innocence, allow Red to figure it out also, maybe "cool down".  I don't know.  just some ideas....

Red doesn't seem to be angry with Dembe from what I can see.

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OK, did anyone notice something strange about Kaplan in the promo?  Am I wrong, or:

1. her wedding ring looks different, either  different ring, or she is wearing two, a thicker band and a second, thinner one, underneath it.  Or could just be the light on it.  

2.  What is she holding next to her head?  is it a gun?  A small phone and gun?  Or a very old mobile phone - like from the 1990s when they were very large handsets.

3.  Doesn't she look younger?  mainly in the hair style, color and thickness.  Maybe not.

4.  I can't see clearly but the style of clothing looks a bit retro, and does she have a sparkly necklace around her neck (very un-Kaplan); also note the retro watch, like something from the 1950s - it could be a family heirloom.

I am wondering, is this a flashback?  Maybe not to 25 years ago but something in-between then and now?

I don't know something seemed off about how she looked.  Might just be my imagination though!  LOL

Maybe the lighting.  Need to connect it to my TV screen so I can see larger version!

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Honey West wrote:

I guess they were showing us bits from both hours, so it's really hard to know what exactly they wanted to not show us. LOL! Except to imply that everyone Red trusted is turning against him. I like to think it's more like an intervention.

My thoughts exactly, it's like an intervention. Certainly with the way Red plans and executes (pun intended!) everything, he certainly could have a contingency plan for when someone actually takes him down. I don't think this is the case, but hey, I love my Reddie boy!

Definitely noticed Mr. Kaplan's ring(s), plus the old style phone, and her hair is darker and fuller, so yes, I think that's flashback mode.

Dembe's line implies that he did not poison Red. And I think this is true. I think as you all have said, he did not want what happened to Mr. Kaplan to happen to him. So he did the right thing that night by calling #77 and getting Red to medical care.

HW - Yes! Red and Grey (omg, I never realized they were both colors, ha!) are wearing the exact same suits as they were in the Pilot. JB did say we were going back to when Red turned himself in to the FBI. That will be great, I've often wondered what exactly was the trigger.

It makes me wonder if it was Red who fast-tracked Liz's career or was it someone (something) else?

I am of the opinion that when Kate calls Red, "Hello Raymond" it is from this time frame, the time when Red turned himself in. I think this because it is Susan Bloemmert who portrays Kate and she is using a mobile phone. It could be a few years earlier, but not much. So anywhere from 2013 to 2008-9? But not much earlier.

Hi, I listened to the "phone call" without looking at the screen, and it sounds like there are two different conversations.  The first one, she says "Hello Raymond."  The second when she says, "II know where the bodies are buried,", her voice sounds different, more distant, a bit scratchy, like its from another phone and another conversation., different connection

I think its unclear "which conversation" represents Kate in the picture.  But its odd to me, if that is an old cellphone, that would be late eighties/ early nineties technology, I think.  I distinctly remember buying a cellphone in 1999 and it was nearly as small as the one I have today.

Unless it is a more recent photo, but Red and his team clung on to "older" technology longer than others did....I think its hard to place the date of that photo because Kate would not look like that if it were eighties, if that is definitely Susan....that would have been portrayed by the "young Kaplan" actress.  

Tatiana, I also don't think it was right before Red surrendered, as that was only four years ago, and we saw Kate not too far into season 1 and I don't think she looked like that (looked more like "current" kate)

I don't know, I could be wrong.  just some impressions.  I haven't been able to watch the promo on a larger screen to get a better look.

But I do think the audio - is two different calls.  

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Well I finally got to watch this on my TV screen and it did not help me much!  LOL

Honey West - the scene showing Kate walking at night, she is on what appears to be an elevated metal walkway above street level somewhere.  hard to tell but it does look like she may be holding a phone.
Maybe that is the second phone conversation?  In the larger picture of her, she says "hello Raymond" but we don't actually see her saying, "I know where the bodies are buried".  Which, again, I think is a different phone conversation.

My general idea as of now is that Kate calls him but he doesn't know where she is - leading him to retrace his steps and that scene shown on the Global promo where Red is interrogating mountain man - whether or not Red knew him/of him previously.  Or it could be the other way around, LOL, he calls the number and she answers.  but what about that old phone?  LOL

Well maybe we will get another promo to pick apart!  LOL  

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