One final thought - just finished re-watching.

Red's ICU is set up in a gym.  It looks like there is training equipment there for boxing, maybe even a boxing ring.

Thinking back to the poster Marx V Lord.  It said, something like StandUp Showdown; Comedy Heavyweights Marx v Lord like a boxing match poster would.  Also, in one of the last scenes, after Aram brings in the fruit basket, and the doctor comes out to give them an update, there is a blurred poster on the wall behind Aram that is similar in style to the Marx v Lord poster.  Its blurred so nothing can be read on it but stylistically its like the poster.  Hmmmm

Honey West #100 - I too assumed the fruit had been knocked over when Red collapsed.  But, curiously, no apples in the fruit bowl.  Just oranges and bananas.

Last edited by lara1 (3/09/2017 12:03 am)

Tuxie400 wrote:

Lara1 -Orange you glad I didn't say banana? as the old punchline goes. I think the fruit selection was just the writers having fun. Because everyone knows papaya is the very best fruit!

I still think the poster means Aram vs. Elise. I've been thinking about the Ali Marx name. I think it's a combination of Ali - like Mohammed Ali the boxer and Groucho Marx because Aram is so funny. I'll have to look for the poster at the boxing ring. Could the boxing ring be a connection to the red box or heads in boxes. Just grasping for straws here.

Tuxie400 - could be, about the poster.  What I was kind of knitting together in my brain (always dangerous at night time, LOL), given that the ICU was in a gym with boxing equipment, was, what if it is Elise who is after Red, or helping in the plot, and Aram helps to save the day.  That might be the real heavyweight match.  though we've already had their punch up in The Thrushes and their hacking competition in The Architect.....maybe my idea is too far fetched!  
 

Yeah, the fruit bowl is upside down under the table. Papers on the floor, more papers on the table. Didn't look like any clues. I only wonder why she would leave a nice bowl of perfectly good fruit when she was headed for Tahiti? I'd take it with me to eat on the plane. LOL!

I'm surprised the police didn't secure the door to Marvins apartment better. A paper notice isnt going to keep someone from opening a broken door.

Groucho Marx, lara1?  I was thinking Karl.

I've been busy IRL, but checking in when possible. Wow! Y'all are busy bees!!! Love the free exchange of ideas 

Clearly the overturned fruit bowl on the floor indicated Red had fallen and his hat fell off. And generally oranges and bananas (and apples) are in fruit bowls because they can stay out in ambient temperatures without spoiling immediately.

So that's the logical portion of it.

Secondarily is the funny little inside joke about oranges being an omen of death as was started in The Godfather and then was carried out in criminal/gangster/mafia type film/tv like The Sopranos.

Trivia: the designer who incorporated oranges in scenes in the Godfather did so (oranges and orange colored props) only to inject some color into a very drab environment. But it evolved into this 'symbolic' meaning.

Whether TBL intended it or not is unclear. However, what is clear is that most of the TBL staff (writers, producers, etc) are Liberal Arts nerds and love love love to include little nuggets like this; little details that are inside jokes or inside 'aha!s'

I think that is why oranges are used here. Remember, TPBL were really big into apples. I don't believe we ever get a conclusive resolution to who Apple Man was. We just know that he was Apple Man and he had Liz under surveillance. 

I think I saw an interview with JB about apples in TBL. It kind of added a little element of intrigue and subterfuge. 

They could have included apples in this particular fruit bowl, but they did not. That indicates to me it was intentional and, for those in the know, it would convey a little 'get ready, someone's gonna die' message.

The bananas. That is so funny! "Banana! Banana! Banana!" What a great little joke! So maybe the image was to tell us there was a call out for help 

I think Tuxie or one of you brought a different perspective up and that was the artful presentation of the tablecloth. 

The design on the tablecloth has been used in various ways throughout the series. It has kind of a fleur-de-lis repeated image which evokes a royalty or some type of classic design/background. The entire image, tablecloth, fruit, papers, chairs, is reminiscent of a still life or classical art which is often used throughout the series. I suspect if we keep our eyes open, we could see something similar, either in a painting or a pattern, elsewhere in another episode.

I'm pretty sure I just depleted my intellectual capacity for the day  so I'll go back and look at your comments in more detail. 

I LOVE the breakdown in 'whodunnit' . Y'all are brilliant!

Tatiana #108. Interesting thoughts! I was the one I think that mentioned the tablecloth and the whole scene looking like a Vermeer still life tableaux.  But I haven't had a chance to delve into the paintings yet!  Lol

 think the writers or set dressers were having some fun planting "clues" because they know we like to look for them. 

Yes! Remember the Dom episode when they did a close up of "Tabasco"!?

I'm still 100% convinced it was a nod to our lovely, original "Tabasko"
Why not???

It's so much fun, kind of a back and forth nod from them to us and us to them!
 

RL is calling on me today, but I wanted to chime in with a few things rolling aroound in my brain before I take off for the day.

I was thinking about Red having any allergies and after further pondering that there are a lot of people who really have access to Reds medical history.
There are also too many people at this point who can also access the database of pharmacies, medical records, etc... Not just Kaplan or Dembe.
And let us not forget that Lenonard Caul also knows of reds apartment although  cannot picture him wanting to do Red any harm.

Naomi. She would know about his allergies.
If Jennifer / Elsie is behind this she would have that information.
If that is her, she may have caught up with her mom and heard about what happened with her mom
being kiddnapped etc... and want revenge. She may think as long as he is out there that they can be a tool
to get at Red.

KR would also know. If she had written anything in her little book then Kirk would know because I am sure he read it.
Speaking of Kirk, before I forget again, if he did send the painting then he flat out lied to Liz about knowing about the fire.

The navy and Cabal would know because I am sure it is listed on his records.
If they know then Harold knows and so would a lot of people at the post office.

As mentioned, Elsie is working for the NSA which can access about anything as our dear Aram can.
And we all know Hargrave can get into anything too.  We also saw in the Redemption that they use a Satelitte company to help them with things.

I am working on pictures folks. I am sifting thorugh my folders to put together a file of the best ones.
 I have more GB of pics of the BL than I care to confess to! lol
 

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Tuxie400 wrote:

Eastcoast - I think you are right about all thosw people who would know Red's medical history. What is odd is that Apothecary didn't have his info on file. Looking forward to seeing some of your pictures.

 
Maybe as part of his contract the apothecary was instructed to delete or destroy any records for Red once he was finished. He said he doesn't know who hires him and that he doesn't want to know, so he probably doesn't keep any info that he doesn't have to keep. After all each person is unique somrecords might be useless for future jobs anyway, especially if the person is dead.

Good job as usual, eastcoast! And I really don't think that Tom is doing anything to go after Red. I rewatched Isabella Stone last night and Tom and Red seem to actually be having a genuinely familial conversation. Well as familial as those two can get anyway, more of a Godfatherly-familial vibe,.  (whistling) more of a Red and Dom sort of uneasy alliance type of thing. It makes me wonder if, sometime back in the past that Dom didn't view Red the way that Red views Tom? Perhaps being Liz's father conferred some sort of immunity from being killed on Red as the Agnes immunity for Tom?

Honey West #116 - I like your thoughts on the Tom/Red potential parallels.

Who was talking about the bluish light behind ballerina girl?

Here's another bluish light. It just caught my eye as being unusual. This is when Red leans over Seth and whispers something to him, from 1.05 The Courier