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3/01/2017 8:29 pm  #21


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

I went back to see what parallels we found in 4.01, Esteban. It was Tatiana who got us started looking for these in the first episode of the season. She noted the similarities in the T-boning of Red's car and the car carrying Beth and Liz in the pilot.

Other parallels in that episode:

Red goes to Manny Soto in Season 1 and this episode asking for his help.

Liz is confronted by a stranger both in the pilot (Red) and this episode (Kirk) who seem to know to know details about her past and want to get to know her better. 

Another parallel with the pilot and this episode is a blacklister who faked his death,.In both episodes, the FBI database says the blacklister is dead (Esteban and Zamani).

Additionally both the pilot and Esteban have kidnappers who are dying. Both Zamani and Rostov were extremely dangerous because, with their terminal illnesses, they have nothing to lose.

Both Zamani and Rostov wanted Tom dead. But, as we know, that smooth operator has at least nine lives. At my last count, he's used six of those.

Both Zamani and Constantin wanted revenge for the loss of their families. (So did Berlin, and does Red?)


At the two-way mirror, Dembe and Liz's dialog trying to get Red to leave is similar to lines they both said to him in Berlin Pt. 1 when the FBI was coming to Arrest him.

The severed head is a callback to Mako Tanida's head in the box which Red sent to Ressler.
 

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3/01/2017 8:33 pm  #22


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

lara1 and Honey West - Yes, I think Elise's alias names further strengthen my theory that Elise is connected to Red, and that she is his attacker and most likely Jennifer.

 

3/01/2017 8:48 pm  #23


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

Mato 4.02 parallels we identified:

The pink bracelet of Katarina's that is put in the time capsule, mirrors the bracelet Beth gave Liz in the pilot.
The blue dollhouse in the Summer Palace mirrors the Takoma Park house that Red blew up in the Frederick Barnes episode.

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3/01/2017 10:29 pm  #24


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

More references:

Odette - harkens back to Swan Lake
The large pocket watch used by The Architect - reminded me of Berlin's watch

I'm sure there are loads others.  I wonder if this is building up to something huge. Season 1 was very loaded - apart from Anslo Garrick, we had Red blow up the Tacoma park House, Kill Sam, Kill Diane Fowler, tell Maddie the story of his family and the bloody scene; we had the Alchemist altering people's DNAs, the mystery of Berlin's daughter, and the introduction of Naomi as Red's wife.  Wow that is a lot!

I think many of us think another big bad - like Berlin in Season 1.  Or if some of the major events of Season 1 will be further twisted like mirror images.  There is a lot of material to work from!  The Anslo Garrick parallels to the current plot line alone are huge.  What else will come home to roost?!!  Really good!

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3/01/2017 11:53 pm  #25


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That's a good photo compilation, Tatiana #6. I remember when Liz shot Connolly thinking how much like her fire memories that was, even to the man's body position on the floor. Her expressions and now we see even the angles they used to shoot both Lizzies.


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3/02/2017 8:33 am  #26


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

Tuxie400 wrote:

Mato 4.02 parallels we identified:

The pink bracelet of Katarina's that is put in the time capsule, mirrors the bracelet Beth gave Liz in the pilot.
The blue dollhouse in the Summer Palace mirrors the Takoma Park house that Red blew up.

Ah! Yes!


"I could tell you how to win a marathon, but you're assuming it's a 26.2 mile race. It's not. It's a 6.2 mile race that begins at mile 20." Raymond Reddington
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3/03/2017 1:46 pm  #27


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

Miles McGrath  parallels with Season 1:

Liz discovers Katarina was assigned to be in Red's life the way Tom was assigned to be in hers.

The Ribowski virus may be a parallel of the dangerous Cullen virus.

Gaia Episode 4.04

Red's story of attack by a bull shark when diving and then being saved by a lighthouse keeper mirrors the story he told Liz in Berlin Part 1 of being stung by a lionfish and then saved by a landless Mokan sea gypsy.

Gaia's helicopter crashing over the heads of children playing soccer is reminiscent of the opening of General Ludd when a boy and his father are playing football in a park and airplane parts and body parts start falling from the sky.

The Lindquist Concern 4.05

Red is squatting in a church, similar to a couple of episodes following Anslo Garrick.

Red says, "I usually have a devil of a time getting to sleep, but here (the church) I sleep like a babe in a manger. This provokes a callback to Anslo Garrick Pt. I and the One More Time speech when he says he want to sleep like he slept when he was a boy, one more time.

The Thrushes 4.06

Alexander Kirk is placed in the red box just like Reddington was in the pilot.

Dr. Adrian Shaw

Dr. Adrian Shaw is doing illegal and unethical medical experiments like Frederick Barnes in Season 1 and James Covington in Season 2.

We get yet another lionfish story from Red, which is a callback to the lionfish story in Berlin and the eco terrorism from Season 2. The Front.

On Dr. Shaw's ship, Samar almost gets her throat cut, mirroring Meera's death in Season 1 Berlin Pt. 2, but luckily Ressler saves Samar.

I thought the end of this episode had the same feeling and similar dialog to Berlin Pt. 1. It's revealed that a group of men are undercover and taking over a facility. In Berlin the facility was the airport and the air traffic controller, in Adrian Shaw it's the hospital.

When Red is trying to get Liz to leave the hospital and the end, she doesn't believe she's in danger. "What's he gonna do?" she asks. Red tells her, "all of Kirk's resources will be brought to bear." Armed men are seen assembling.Tell Harold and then you get out of that hospital."  In Berlin, Liz tells Red "the full force of the FBI is coming for you." An armed FBI tactical unit is seen assembling nearby. 

Of course in Adrian Shaw Pt. II, we have Red being tortured similar to Anslo Garrick Part II, which others have already pointed out. And in both of those episodes, Liz and company arrive too late to save Red. He's gone without a trace in both episodes.









 

 

3/03/2017 2:51 pm  #28


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Tuxie - wow, those are good. It's striking how many parallels there are.


"I could tell you how to win a marathon, but you're assuming it's a 26.2 mile race. It's not. It's a 6.2 mile race that begins at mile 20." Raymond Reddington
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3/03/2017 3:05 pm  #29


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

Thanks Tuxie400.  And some of those are kind of like mirror images also.  I just wish I could figure out why!  LOL

 

3/04/2017 2:16 pm  #30


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UNABLE TO BREATHE
 Tom: Liz, you can do this. When you wake up, I’m gonna take you away from here. We’re gonna be lying on a beach under the sun. Just you, me, and our little baby girl. I promise you.[ Wheezing ]
 Liz: If things go sideways, you’re gonna take our baby to that beach, right?
 Tom: Don’t say that. They won’t go sideways. We have too much to look forward to.

 Tom: Liz, what’s wrong?
 Liz: My chest.
 Tom: Hey, she can’t breathe.
 [ Crying continues ] [ Beeping continues ]
 Mr Kaplan: Give me the baby.
 Tom: What’s wrong with her?
Nick: O2 levels are dropping. Get her some oxygen.  

I HAVE A LIFE; YOU DON’T
Liz: I held up my end of the deal. Now it’s your turn. You owe me an answer.
Red: What’s the question?
Liz: Why me?
Red: Because of your father.
Liz: What does that mean? Did you know my father? Have the two of you met somehow?
Red: I wish the answer were as simple as the question seems.♤ But the truth is, the question isn’t simple, either. I share your frustration.
Liz: You act like we’re the same. You’re wrong. I have a life, people who care about me. But you – this is all you have
.
Red: I have you. 

Red: Harold, it troubles me that you’re dissatisfied with the results of our efforts.
Cooper: Doing good for selfish reasons doesn’t make you good. It just makes you good at being selfish.
Red: I’m sorry about your daughter. You’ve never spoken of her around me, which of course I understand, but you’ve seemed anxious of late. When someone you love is sick, you don’t need to shoulder that burden alone.
Cooper: My daughter isn’t a burden. She’s my greatest blessing.
Red: [ Stammers ]
Cooper: I appreciate your concern, but she’s none of your business
.
[ Folder rustles ]Cooper: You want to know why those closest to you betray you? Why you’re alone and hunted? It’s because even when you try to do something good, you cannot seem to understand where your selfishness ends and other people’s lives begin. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going home to people who love me.


"I could tell you how to win a marathon, but you're assuming it's a 26.2 mile race. It's not. It's a 6.2 mile race that begins at mile 20." Raymond Reddington
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3/06/2017 9:20 pm  #31


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

Tatiana - Red's respiratory distress really does mirror Liz's from last year. Could that be intentional on the part of the attacker?

 

 

3/06/2017 9:48 pm  #32


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

In watching The Courier 1.05 this weekend, I noticed these two. We talked about Marrakesh "death" at the time Dr. Adrian Shaw Conclusion aired, but I didn't remember the whispering.

Red:  I died for two minutes in Marrakesh. You wouldn't believe what I saw on the other side."
After Seth, the NSA analyst, is dug out of the ground and revived, Red whispers something in his ear. We never find out exactly what it was.

Dr. Adrian Shaw Conclusion:
Red to Kirk:" Dying isn't so bad. I did it once in Marrakesh."
And of course, Red whispers in his ear at the end, and Kirk stops the lethal injection, and sits down in shock.
 

 

3/06/2017 10:35 pm  #33


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

It just occurred to me that I may not always have ascribed authorship to clips or pix I've shared. I know AlyBlacklist blogged about this recently. I don't actually remember where I got that photo sequence of Elizabeth as a child and as an adult with Director Connelly and her 'father'.

If any of you should come upon the original, please let me know so I can document it accordingly. I thought I had been doing this when I copy from someone else's blogs/posts.

 


"I could tell you how to win a marathon, but you're assuming it's a 26.2 mile race. It's not. It's a 6.2 mile race that begins at mile 20." Raymond Reddington
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3/06/2017 10:36 pm  #34


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

Tuxie #32 - that is very interesting! I now remember that there was something secret between them and we don't know for sure what was said. Great catch again!


"I could tell you how to win a marathon, but you're assuming it's a 26.2 mile race. It's not. It's a 6.2 mile race that begins at mile 20." Raymond Reddington
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3/06/2017 10:57 pm  #35


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

Tuxie400 #32 - good observation!  I can't remember exactly who the person who was buried was, but wasn't he a computer specialist who had gov access, something like that?  And Red, in return for his role in having saved him, wanted access to some gov system?  And is that how Red got Jolene's VIDEC number which he later ran in the database later on?  All the reasons why I never knew, other than to try to see what she was up to.

At the time, Mr. Grey quizzes Red as to why, with anything Red could have looked for with that access, why he chose what he did.  And Red replies something cryptic, like, the girl - its more complicated than I thought.  I'm in this for the long game, the future, something like that.  cryptic comment.  Then Grey says, here comes your future, as Liz comes in.  always struck me as odd.

And unknown to Red at the time,  Grey had already betrayed him as Anslo Garrick was about to happen.

I wonder if any connection between these separate events/comments....and more recent events...

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3/06/2017 11:02 pm  #36


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Hmmm another thing just occurred to me.  there's been an NSA thread.  Seth was an Nsa analyst, Elise/Janet is now working for the NSA, in The Thrushes,  Cooper says that the Post Office systems are tied to the NSA and CIA.  there may be others, very recently.   hmmm

 

3/06/2017 11:16 pm  #37


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

Tuxie400 wrote:

Tatiana - Red's respiratory distress really does mirror Liz's from last year. Could that be intentional on the part of the attacker?

 

Tuxie400 - very interesting idea.  though that was part of Kaplan and Liz's plan, not something Red did.  Still, the parallel is something to think about.

Getting back to the idea that the person coming after Red is someone who is upset that he broke his agreement to stay out of her life with the result that she was headline news, remember the Director sucked the oxygen out of the box when Liz was in it and she nearly died except for Aram's action.  One could argue if Liz had not been revealed to the Cabal, that would not have happened.

Then, we have the oxygen being sucked out of the room in Redemption.  Lots of oxygen deprivation!

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3/06/2017 11:46 pm  #38


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lara1 - You are right. The parallel with the oxygen deprivation in the red box is probably a better one, if we linking it to Red's attacker. And that scared Aram to death.

Speaking of NSA threads, Aram supposedly worked for the NSA before Cooper recruited him for the task force.

 

 

3/06/2017 11:50 pm  #39


Re: End of Season 4 - Parallels to Season 1

lara1 wrote:

Hmmm another thing just occurred to me.  there's been an NSA thread.  Seth was an Nsa analyst, Elise/Janet is now working for the NSA, in The Thrushes,  Cooper says that the Post Office systems are tied to the NSA and CIA.  there may be others, very recently.   hmmm

Don't forget that Fitch was an assistant deputy director of national intelligence. That office is the head of the entire intelligence community, including ONI, CIA, FBI, NSA, DEA, etc. 16 agencies in total. Mucho powerful!


“I am exactly who I am. And I can assure you, I’m a far more interesting Raymond Reddington than Raymond Reddington ever was."
 

3/06/2017 11:56 pm  #40


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Tuxie400 #38 - nice link back to Aram.  are all roads leading back to Aram?

 

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