I don't remember any other clocks, but there's the Bvlgari watch in Tom's Season 3 Djinn cover story when he's Mr. Wainwright trying to get an in with Asher Sutton. 

Tatiana - hmmm, could be.

I started to think about the clocks recently, when I started to note numbers being used in the episodes also.
As addresses, hotel rooms, card and poker games etc.

There is the pentameter on Dom's piano (ok technically not a clock but an instrument that measures "keeping time"), and the focus on the clock on the top of the Post Office Tower in "The Forecaster" - both on the model that the little girl made and of course a close up of it in "real" life.  Just a few more that come to mind.

I thought I would watch Artax again to see if there is a clock visible in Dom's house....

Just one more thing for me to obsess about!  LOL.  Well the pianos have kind of disappeared lately so something needs to take their place in my obsession!   

Tatiana - always happy to share with a fellow obsessive!

OK so I rewatched ARtax today.  I did not find any clocks in Dom's house (which I think on its own is strange - would expect some old clocks ticking away!) but I noticed two things I had not before:

1.  Red-like aviator glasses - when Red and Dom are having their chat toward the end, after ARam visits, and Red is seated at the table with Dom, and picks up one of Dom's prescription bottles - as he puts the bottle back down again, saying how he can't go on "feeling like this", there is a pair of Red-like aviator glasses, upside down on the table.  I never saw them before as the focus in that scene is on Red and the obvious emotional pain he is in.  There's a chance that the glasses are Red's but I don't think so because they are on the table near to Dom, and the arms of the glasses are white, which I've never seen on the pair that Red wears.

This opens up an intriguing window for me as to the relationship of Dom to Red.  Is this telegraphing a closer relationship of Dom/Red that maybe we think?  Is Dom Red's father, either biologically or through marriage to Red's mother?  all through that episode there is a reach towards something resembling father/son/estranged son that never quite reveals itself.

2.  Ressler and Red wear the same watches (well similar - and yes a clock of sorts!).  So both Red and Ressler wear watches with stainless steel stretch bands, with black watch faces with stainless steel numbers.  (On close up, which I never noticed before, Red's watch actually has an outer dial around the clock face that is red - nice touch, LOL).  So then I looked at other watches.  Cooper has a more traditional watch with a leather watchband, Aram has a more tech-all black watch.  Tom wasn't wearing a watch in this episode.  Interestingly, Red and Ressler both wear their watches loose, so they are low on their wrists, often visible beneath the shirt  sleeve cuff.  Might be just the style. But do they want us to notice this?

So, Ressler and Red share a blood type and the same type of watch.  What does that mean?  Maybe nothing, LOL.  But maybe some connection, who knows.  Intriguing anyway.

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I think it's interesting that Red, Dom, and Katarina all go for those Aviator style glasses with amber lenses. Maybe it means they are family, or maybe it means they see things in the same way. Thanks lara1 for brining the glasses to our attention.

Interesting thoughts, Honey West.

So, between the end of Season 3 and a couple of episodes ago, we have seen those "Red-like" glasses in Dom's house, with Katerina (in the Summer Palace scene), and Liz was wearing them about 2 episodes ago.  With Dom and Katerina, it was subtle because Dom didn't wear the glasses (in the episode) though they appear they were probably his; and Katerina had them on the top of her head.

So this may be telegraphing a relationship between the four of them.  It may be familial or something else.  I do think, on and off, that Red and Katerina are related, possibly brother and sister of some sort, and the whole "affair" thing was some kind of cover.  (This assumes that REd is not Liz's/Masha's father.) Red never confirmed that to Kirk, only that he was a target.  But who even knows if that was the truth?  We don't know if Kirk actually had proof, or only what Katerina told him.  I never really got a romantic vibe from Cape May - but concern and care, affection at the end.  I would have expected that last encounter on the beach to be more than it was, if it was romantic.  Then again, you probably can't take dreams and hallucinations literally!

 

Last edited by lara1 (2/20/2017 11:31 am)

So I started thinking more about clocks and time.  And numbers.  And I went back to the pilot.

Interestingly, Red tells Liz that Zamani is going to leave the country in 36 hours.  That is a very precise period of time.  Not 24 or 48 hours, which would be more common, 36.  And this from Liz:

Your 36-hour timeline would suggest a singular event. Something in D.C.  

And this from Harold:

 Okay, let's move. We're on a clock.

Now the number 36 has appeared in other interesting contexts.  And the show runners have asked us to pay attention to the script for the pilot.  So, back in 1989, did something happen over a period of 36 hours in DC? Not the fire necessarily but something that precipitated it?  or followed it?

The number 36 is also the age of Vanessa Cruz, with her "faked suicide".  In Monarch Douglas Bank, when Berlin's funds are frozen, he is agitated because he needs to make a wire transfer within 36 hours (again an unusual period of time?).

In the most recent episodes, Samar wants to play Red: 36 in Monte Carlo; in The Architect, the Bible passage with the plans handed to the prisoner is at 21:36 in the Bible.  

21 has also made some recent appearances - Room 21 was the hotel room next to Stratos in Isabella Stone: it again appears in the next episode as part of that Bible reference.

I'm going to look for more references to these numbers, but for now:

Both 21 and 36 are divisible by 3; and
36= 12x3 (and 12 = 1+2=3)
36 = 3 plus 6 (1x3; 2x3)

in numerology, 36 distills to 9 (3+6), and 9 is 3 x 3
in numerology 21 distills to 3 (2+1)
Liz's triangle symbol = 3

Christmas Eve - Dec 24 or 12/24.  12 plus 24 = 36
24 in numerology = 6 (2 +4), which again (6) equals 2x3

Three keeps appearing as part of these numbers.

this is as far as I got.  I'm going to go through the old episodes to try to pick up more references.

Also - with the clocks - I think there is a clue with the time that is on each of them.  And do they relate to the time of the fire (around midnight, before and after, as I recall).

Maybe this adds up to nothing!  but its sure an interesting pattern.  LOL
 

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I have the feeling we are going to be dissecting TBL for years after the show eventually ends - seems to be so much to think about!

Hope this helps - at the end of Marvin Gerard, Red punches in a code to open the container ship doors.  The code is 193.  The only reason I remember it is because its *almost* one of my pin numbers

Interesting detail:  I just watched the intro to the pilot.

Red says his rule is that "I only speak with Elizabeth Keen."
Ressler:  Who the hell is Elizabeth Keen?

Cut to close up of Liz's sleeping face.  This is the first we see of her, and she wakes up in a panic, turns to look at the clock next to the bed.  It is flashing 12:00    !!  So the clock has malfunctioned, or the power was briefly lost overnight.  She immediately grabs Tom's arm to look at his watch.  she is late for her first day.

So, the very first glimpse of Liz that we get, we immediately get a close up of a clock and the time is 12:00
interesting......

Last edited by lara1 (2/21/2017 6:59 pm)

Lara - my mind works differently than others, but here is my take on the 36 number:
"Now the number 36 has appeared in other interesting contexts.  And the show runners have asked us to pay attention to the script for the pilot.  So, back in 1989, did something happen over a period of 36 hours in DC?"

I subtracted 36 from 1989 and I got 1963 which is when JFK was assassinated.