Here is a very interesting close up/repeat of the opening montage that appears before each episode. (not sure if technically its a gif or another repeated image).  I know that several of us have reviewed the opening montage, the images, symbols etc so what is seen in this close up is quite interesting....

Three different images comprising "the" image of Red we see in the opening montage....I think that when the three images flash on the screen in the actual episode, they appear so fleetingly that the eye blends them into one image.  But - 

If you look closely (and repeatedly!) at the part of it which shows Red's face/image, it looks like there are actually 3 faces/images, appearing on the screen, very quickly, one at a time in quick succession (one large image, that appears right even larger than the "normal" image we are most used to focusing on when seeing the opening montage; the "normal" image we are used to seeing and which stays on screen for a split second longer; and a third slightly smaller one, that appears a split second after the "normal" image and to the left of it.

Is it me, or do those two other faces appear to be the faces of someone else?  I have tried to freeze it on each of those "other" Red images but can't figure out how to do this.  One of the images is definitely Red. the smaller one does look like a different person to me, the large image does also, certain facial features seem larger or different, somehow.  

It would be great if you all could have a look and let me know what you think.  I will have another look at the montage, in the actual episode.  I don't know if the creator of the attached  "created" this sequence or if its l taken from the actual episode montage itself.....

Many thanks to Aly Blacklist, who posted this.

https://alyblacklist.tumblr.com/post/156946214166

PS - if it turns out that you all think I am seeing triple Red (LOL!) or otherwise need glasses, I won't be offended!  

Last edited by lara1 (2/07/2017 6:30 pm)

Lara1 and tuxie,
I have all those pics. I have many freeze frames of that Stuff because I thought if I tried to blow it out i could see all those little pics they have in there better. It also looks like writing of some sort in there to me.
Its his face not wearing a hat in the back ground, then it is shown close up. Then its actually  2 more of the hat on. One regular and with his head tilted forward.
The red in the background of Liz always points back to the fire I suppose.

Tatiana - yes, that made my head spin too LOL.
Haven't seen the black rectangle with symbols, will look for it.  We keep seeing new things in that montage, its great!

eastcoast - that is great, I agree with Tatiana if we could see those it would be awesome. Maybe we could check out that rectangle....

So maybe with the faces -  its just two images of Red, spinning in and out, at different angles?  That's good to know.  I only recognized one image, maybe the others just look different with shading, angles etc that aren't obvious while the image is zipping past!   

Hi Tatiana,

I think a few of us have different views on what Red said/meant.  I think a few of us are taking it at face value (i.e. Red is her father); some of us have other views.  I'm of the view that it was either said under duress (Kirk was not going to stop until he heard it, and Red is all about thinking on his feet and survival), or what Red said meant something else (he said Elizabeth, not Masha, and answered that she is his daughter, not that he is her father).  LOL, the writers are sure good at keeping us thinking!

Yes, I think most of us thought that "Katarina is alive" is probably the most likely explanation of what Red said to Kirk to stop him.  There are other possibilities of course!  I think we discussed most of them!

Honey West - yes, that is the question!  Well one of them anyway....!!

Sitting at home right now we are in the midst of a blizzard and snow is falling at the rate of 3" per hour in my immediate area.   Total white out.  Time for hot chocolate!  And maybe some Blacklist (wait - of course, some Blacklist!  LOL). 

Honey West - thanks! And yes, why doesn't it matter? is a good question.

Tuxie - I agree with you, it may be that he didn't actually get to 'be' a father to Elizabeth.

I have a question though regarding the theory that Raymond is Katerina. I was beginning to think that maybe this could be a plausible theory, but then I remembered the interaction between Raymond and Kirk. Red had Kirk tell him about a memory he had of Katerina and Kirk told the story of her jumping the fence at a fancy house and how she was so spirited. And Red did not respond. He had nothing as far as memories of Katerina. Do you remember the dialogue I'm talking about? 

Also, Tuxie400, maybe he felt it didn't matter because he knew Kirk was going to kill him no matter what he answered. Yet he had that ace in the hole thing that he did tell Kirk right at the last possible second.

Interesting thought, Tatiana, he didn't seem to really remember "her" and Kirk said as much "you remember what she did, and not who she was." And Red says "Remind me." Then Kirk tells the story of the house and Red actually finishes his sentence that she was "dancing." And they talk about her love for life and how she was more alive than anyone Kirk knew. This has also been a description of Red himself. He lives in the moment and is fascinated by the smallest things sometimes. He enjoys good wine, fine art, etc. At the time of Adrian Shaw I kept thinking that what they said about Katarina sort of described Red, as well. Maybe they were kindred spirits and that was what attracted them to one another, aside from Red being her assignment. Kirk also says that one thing he knows for sure is that she loved him. That made me think of the women who keep warning Liz that Red can make a woman feel like she is the center of his universe. I think he and Katarina were very alike, but I am not convinced they were the same person.

Its interesting - it just struck me about that conversation with Red and Kirk.  Honey West, I think that's true - Red didn't seem to remember Katarina, although I do think Red asking Kirk to talk about her was part of his plan to stall for time, trying to figure out an exit strategy that maybe would work.  I think Red got that when Kirk said that K was so full of life, he did not believe it when he found out that she had killed herself.  That gave Red his "in".  maybe.

But the thing that I just thought of - that we discussed - how did Red know that K would have been dancing.  Some of us thought that the "case study house" was in fact a place where Dom or Red was living at the time and that either Red saw what happened, or someone he knew did, and told him.  

What if the "dancing" was just a clue meant to tell us that K was in fact a dancer?  I think we've speculated about that before, with all of the ballet references in the series, Liz's fantasy about her mother being a ballerina etc.  Maybe its not so much "how" Red knew that, but that we may now know too.....

Just some thoughts after shoveling snow!  LOL.  Honey West, a snow shovel to me is like a leaf blower to you, maybe!   

I will get the pics together in the next few days and post them.

Tatiana wrote:

Eastcoast - it would be great to see those pics.

Lara - I got dizzy trying to fix my eyes on "Red" LOL! 

I know we've looked into the // and inverted triangles, but has anyone been able to see that black rectangle with symbols on it? It looks like Morse Code. Its waaaaay too fast.

I was going to post a few pictures. I have been trying to go through my old post to find where I was suppose to post them!  It says I need a link. Soooo, in the next few days I will have to get a place for pictures online.
suggestions?