I don't think Kaplan was picked up by anyone she knew. I think it was a random vehicle. She knows how to blend in and disappear. She knows that Red would pursue her relentlessly if he suspected she was alive, so i don't think he will ever find that out unless she initiates it. Or if anyone goes back to the scene and finds her body isn't there, that could start the ball rolling. If Dembe and Liz go back there, which I think is very possible because Liz would also want to give her remains a proper burial if nothing else, for her sacrifice, the two of them would be the only ones to know her body wasn't there. I don't think they would tell Red what they found and would instead try to figure it out themselves. Or just leave it; but I think they would need to know. They could suspect wild animals dragged her off (like Fred C. Dobbes thought about Curtin), but lacking direct evidence they might have to figure that she was either still alive or that someone else had found a murder victim's body and would they ever come forward? They would be forced to do something, though. Maybe Liz would think that Kate might try to go to her sister and Liz would use the List to find her? That could be why the List was so important to the storyline.
Anyway, I don't think Kate would go after Red for revenge. I didn't get that vibe from her at all. I think the only thing that might bring her out would be if she thought she had to do something to save him.

Exactly, lara1, Red wouldn't think to look for Kate's sister - but Liz might., if she finds out that Kate seems to have gotten away. And only Dembe and Red know where that happened and only Dembe might tell her.

The story-lines are getting more complex and convoluted. I agree they had to write Kate's sister into 'The Harem' in order to further her story-line - and connect Red back to Kate - Dembe going rogue and tipping off LIzzy was another connecting rod. Liz telling Red she knew what happened with Mr. Kaplan was the final connector of dots.
The world of international crime & commerce really has no end point - so TBL will either end with mass murders (of Red & various members of his group PLUS members of Team Post Office).
A guy like that will simply not be allowed to retire on his own accord. There will always be someone out there who needs information, revenge or simple bloodlust. Once Red brought the FBI into his world - I suspect he knew these forces were about to re-calibrate.

And that they did!

Tuxie400 #87  Those are interesting thoughts on Kaplan. I did wonder how she would know where her sister is. Although if Red knows, she probably does.   It's not entirely clear if Red does know. He said to Liz that he didn't need to find her, but we don't know if that's because he knows where she is or only because it's part of Red's explanation as to why he needed the list - to keep others from knowing. I tend to think he knows, though. He seemed to know about where Naomi was as well back inSeason 1

I also think it's no coincidence that Kaplan' s sister witnessed something from a Russian criminal. There's a reason in the story why the criminal was Russian

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That's funny, eastcoast #85. I agree about Kate and I think that's also true about the Post Office. If Red is such a horrible menace, why wouldn't they just grab him and throw him in The Box or assassinate him, taking him out of the picture once and for all. Well, beyond the obvious "there'd be no show", I think it points to his importance in the greater scheme of things. Which we still don't know for sure what that is. What I got from Kate's last conversation with Mountain Man was that she still believes that he needs to be protected at all costs, and I think the Task Force is in on that, too, with Cooper knowing something that he hasn't shared. Red operates on a purely "need to know" basis. He didn't share Emma's fate with Liz because he doesn't think she needs to know. He's that way with most information and sometimes it blows up on him, like when Liz went so far as to fake her own death to get away from him because she doesn't know enough about him and her relationship with him to know that maybe that was a bad idea. Dembe is right, she needs to be told. Then she might be mad at him or whatever, but at least she would know where she stands with him and just maybe she would be more cooperative. But he forces her to go behind his back and now she is keeping her own secrets from him, not telling him things, gathering information to maybe be used later instead of flying off the handle and confronting him with the wrong ideas like she did in the beginning. And even more importantly, not inviting him over to see her new apartment. Before, he would have just shown up and been sitting on the new sofa when she came home. Now he seems to know not to do that and to let her invite him when she's ready. That doesn't mean he's not having her watched, but if he is, it's a bit more discreet than Baz in the apartment across the hall.

And yes, eastcoast, I had some ideas about Red that I was going to write down, but now I can't remember exactly where I was going with that! LOL!

Cate, that's an interesting observation.  I had seen that posting but never made a possible Kaplan connection - though I was curious as to what sort of character the actress was cast as - she does look a little bit like Kate, and it is Episode 15 - which is supposed to be rather stormy.  Food for thought!

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Honey West wrote:

That's funny, eastcoast #85. I agree about Kate and I think that's also true about the Post Office. If Red is such a horrible menace, why wouldn't they just grab him and throw him in The Box or assassinate him, taking him out of the picture once and for all. Well, beyond the obvious "there'd be no show", I think it points to his importance in the greater scheme of things. Which we still don't know for sure what that is. What I got from Kate's last conversation with Mountain Man was that she still believes that he needs to be protected at all costs, and I think the Task Force is in on that, too, with Cooper knowing something that he hasn't shared. Red operates on a purely "need to know" basis. He didn't share Emma's fate with Liz because he doesn't think she needs to know. He's that way with most information and sometimes it blows up on him, like when Liz went so far as to fake her own death to get away from him because she doesn't know enough about him and her relationship with him to know that maybe that was a bad idea. Dembe is right, she needs to be told. Then she might be mad at him or whatever, but at least she would know where she stands with him and just maybe she would be more cooperative. But he forces her to go behind his back and now she is keeping her own secrets from him, not telling him things, gathering information to maybe be used later instead of flying off the handle and confronting him with the wrong ideas like she did in the beginning. And even more importantly, not inviting him over to see her new apartment. Before, he would have just shown up and been sitting on the new sofa when she came home. Now he seems to know not to do that and to let her invite him when she's ready. That doesn't mean he's not having her watched, but if he is, it's a bit more discreet than Baz in the apartment across the hall.

And yes, eastcoast, I had some ideas about Red that I was going to write down, but now I can't remember exactly where I was going with that! LOL!

honey west, thank you. and lara1, lol,  It was about Emma that I wanted to say something about.
I think he did not correct Liz and say she is alive because he knows how she can be and might try t go find her and ask her questions thinking she may have an answer to something.
I think I may have mentioned a while back that I wonder if Dembe might go back and look for her body. It may be that he has not had an opportunity, or maybe he has and it has not been shared yet?  Either way, it would be interesting if they went poking around and ran into mountain man to question him. I worry that their first response would be he may have hurt her. But I think if they got to talking they would know she wanted to move on so he didn't get hurt. My concern is if Red were to go back there because I am not sure if he would leave him alive? But heck, for all we know he knows he it there somewhere?  Hard to tell these days....

Anyway, looking forward to the rerun tonight ( except for seeing her get shot ) because I am sure it was picked for a reason.  Most likely because Kate will be coming back in the next show. It will also give us another look at the Palace and her room. (and those long halls that remind me of the ones on fire night)





 

I just re-watched this episode to prep for tonight's episode.  Back to my post #72 above, and Emma as possible "ballet girl" or counterpart (mirror image) I did notice that Emma was wearing black and white in most scenes and when she wasn't, she was wearing black (black swan counterpart to ballet girl?).  And she wore a red jacket in the opening scene.  LOL

Also, I noticed that the windows in Emma's house were very reminiscent of those in Dom's house - same type of style and wood/wood color.  along with those prescription bottles on the kitchen table, I'm thinking there is a potential link to Dom.

Also - I noticed that Red wore a plaid waistcoat for much of the episode.  I think he has worn it before in fact, but I never picked up before on the connection to plaid.  And, one of the female gang wore a large print plaid shirt while in the planning session for the heist.

Just some more observations.

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