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I just thought I'd re-create this, in case anyone who is watching has any new comments/observations during or after the re-watch, given the original comments are back on the old site.
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Just a few small observations on re-watching:
I really don't think Red's intent was anything other than to kill kate. He wasn't planning to miss etc. Just my thoughts. I think the music seals that meaning for me, too
An item for the Mommy theory - did anyone notice before that Katarina is wearing red "Red style" sunglasses? hmmm.
So just what are Red's secrets that Kaplan knows? I think its more than something bad he may have done, it is a very complicated past and series of events, that Red never wants anyone else to know, whatever it is.
I still think Kirk was not the caring father. I also still think that red glow on his face in the boat at night may be a clue that he was at fire night. He may have even set the fire in a fit of rage. Just an idea. Think, he was willing to jump off the roof with Agnes rather than have Reddington know her. So he might be capable of such destruction.
I still wonder whether Kaplan had other plans. Several of us noted at the time that she appeared to be acting cagey in episodes 1 and 2. On the re-watch, I still think she saw Mato while in the car, and she then got out. Her mouth opened slightly and her head tipped back ever so slightly as her eyes widened. I do think she saw him.
It would be an interesting twist if she was still working against Red, maybe she was even working for someone else (a big bad) in taking Liz and Agnes away, and she is the one currently trying to mess up his business, and Red was right all along in the actions he took against her following her betrayal. He was after all right not to be able to trust her any more. Just a theory, no idea really how it will work out, but would e a twist if it turns out that way.
Well I think we may find out before the next hiatus!
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It's a tough one. Good summary of your thoughts, Lara. I can see how the writers might have envisioned Mr. Kaplan as a turncoat within the larger context. On this rewatch, however, I still see her as loyal to Red, and I think you're right about what you wrote earlier: she stayed for Liz and Agnes.
I left the sound off during the last five minutes and focused on the body language. Red didn't miss on purpose; he was too angry and upset to aim properly, in my opinion. I also think he had doubts about killing her immediately afterwards.
I'll be interested to see where the writers go with this. I'm not sure what I would do.
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Iowa Watcher - yeah, I think if Kaplan was a turncoat, something would have happened to make her turn on Red, unless it was some plan all along and I think the latter unlikely unless there is something about her and her background that Red doesn't know. So I think it more unlikely, but you never know with this show! Still possible...
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If I knew what the original story arc was before MB got pregnant, it would answer a lot of questions. I still think it's their intention to get back to that arc. I also wonder if they are returning to it so that they can set up the new show (Redemption) properly. I think a spin-off was on their radar long before it made the news.
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I agree with Iowa Watcher about Red's extreme anger when he shot Kate. I had watched that several times before, but last night it did strike me more how truly angry he was. Seething. But, as we know, Red doesn't betray his emotional state easily. And usually an execution like that is very emotionless on his part, no matter what he is really feeling. But not with Kate.
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Honey West and Iowa Watcher - yes, upon the re-watch, having been away from it for several months, it was clear to me also that Red was very angry. It seemed to me that Kate trying to explain or defend what she had done (she was not sorry) seemed to whip this up more, in a way, at least to me.
On a related note, I also don't think that Red knew about the plate in Kate's head (if there even is one). So I don't think that Red purposely aimed for it or whatever. It was clear to me, at least, that he doesn't know about it - in the conversation outside little Nico's where Kate is telling him what happened to her, he expressly says that he doesn't know what she looked like, as he was away when it happened, and also during her convalescence.
So while I think she may have a plate or similar in her head, it may have saved her, but not because Red knew it was there, but because he didn't. So I don't think he has any idea that she could have, or did, survive. Just my two cents of course!
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lara1 - I didn't notice Katarina in the "Red style" sunglasses. I don't remember her wearing sunglasses at all. I will have to rewatch again and look for that. LOL
I agree with everyone else that Red was extremely angry and that probably caused his aim to be a bit off. I still think it was a plate in her head that saved her.
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I think you're correct, Lara.
So, where is Mr. Kaplan, now? That's the next question for me. I agree that the driver of the truck was probably a random local resident with no connection to organized crime.
Maybe she got a ride into town. Then, what? She wasn't carrying a purse. I'm assuming that she didn't have her phone with her, either, not that she could use it. Ditto a credit card, unless she has one in a name that isn't linked to Red. Does she have an emergency number she can call?
The "easy" thing to do would be to show a glimpse of her in an apartment or otherwise safe and then remain vague about how she got there, but I would be disappointed. I like the spy stuff. Maybe she had planned on disappearing and has a cache or two around.
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Interesting thoughts on Kaplan, Iowa watcher #9. Maybe she had "go" bags or "safe bags" stashed in a few places. She may even have some contingency bags stashed for Red hanging around ( remember the couple hundred thousand she pulled out of a bag for nik in season 2, lol!). She would have to get to one, though. Maybe mountain man forwarded her a little cash in exchange for payment back in crackers!
Speaking of nik, I somehow doubt that we will see him again
I have been wondering who is managing the mobile ICUs without Kaplan. Maybe that will come into play for this segment's finale. I can't help thinking that there is going to be some carnage they are building up to....
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Tuxie400 wrote:
lara1 - I didn't notice Katarina in the "Red style" sunglasses. I don't remember her wearing sunglasses at all. I will have to rewatch again and look for that. LOL
I agree with everyone else that Red was extremely angry and that probably caused his aim to be a bit off. I still think it was a plate in her head that saved her.
Tuxie400 - yes those glasses are hard to spot. They are on top of her head and are that sort of amber-reddish color in a kind of aviator style....interesting! (Also Liz seems to be wearing Red sunglasses too lately!)
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I want to know who Annie was and when that happened. The way Red spoke about his absence when that happened made me think it was during his "exile".
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I didn't re-watch this one last week, but I still wonder where Kaplan went. And after watching the Harem, I'm wondering if she will make her way to her sister's (in Witness Protection). I assume she'd be safe there, unless Red has eyes on the sister as well (for her safety of course). But I have a strong feeling the showrunners needed to bring up Kaplan and the sister having a house is a perfect opportunity. And I can't remember, but did Red mention Carla being on the list? Is she still in Witness Protection?
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Patter - Red didn't mention Carla being on the list. She's in "Red Protection" now - not Witness Protection. But her earlier info was probably on the list.