Wouldn't it be great to get one answer on the BL that wasn't shrouded in doubt?

Big Badd Bazzer wrote:

And certainly no absolute answers on the first 3 or 4 eps of next season . . . . but more clues & possibilities. 

I imagine that they are going to leave a lot for us to discuss this summer. I hope Dembe makes an appearance in the finale, even if he's just hanging out in Cario.

I've held off watching the last season of Game of Thrones. I'm going to start watching that right after the Blacklist finale so that I don't go through as much withdrawal.

Tatiana wrote:

My husband and I made the mistake of watching Person of Imterest so we're half way through. Should have waited until May!
(Its a great show!)

Best TV show ever - immo

I've watched each of the 100+ episodes at least 3 times each, some 5 or 6 times. The construct is so brilliant, the acting, direction, music & writing are beyond superb. It will be very difficult to find any network show that comes up to the standard set by POI

1.  I am taking as canon that the bones were Red's and that Red died in the fire.  Ilya was there that night and helped Katarina pull him out, which is how he got the burns on his back.  But for me, Fake Red is not Real Red. That has been put to rest as of last season.  

2. I think Ilya knew Kirk.  We don't know why Katarina married Kirk, (was it love or was it an assignment)and Red told Liz that Katarina loved Liz's father (Red) more than him(Ilya), so maybe Ilya wasn't a romantic threat to Kirk and as a long time friend of Katarina's he was a friend to Kirk as well. It would make sense that once Red told Kirk he was Ilya and not Red that Kirk would let him go.

3.  I think something happened after Ilya became Fake Red that made it impossible for him to resume his life as Ilya, that forced Katarina back underground and put everyone's life in more danger than before.  I think the writers/showrunners have many times withheld key parts of the story, they didn't just hide clues about it (Kirk, Berlin, Katarina, etc., and now Ilya  - we had no idea who they were until they were revealed).  And I believe they are withholding (so far) part 2 of the Ilya/Katarina/Liz story, the part that made Ilya continue to be Red, the part that puts Liz's life in danger, possibly even the part that caused Dom to continue to hide out.  The part that caused Red to turn himself in to the FBI in the first place. Maybe Dom himself doesn't have the whole story which is why Red was so upset he told Liz as much as he did.  But we are missing something vital - we can't figure it out yet, just like we could never have figured out Ilya was Red because we had never been introduced to a character named Ilya until this episode.

4. I'd like to know how Sam knew Katarina, Red and Ilya.  Just curious, I don't believe it's vital to the story, just an interesting part of the puzzle for me.

PS - Agree that POI is a great show and if you haven't watched it and love the Blacklist, it would be great watching over the summer.
 

Last edited by KathyN (5/01/2019 11:00 pm)

Hi KathyN, Nice to see you post!  

Tuxie, I will say that had the impression from the way Sam spoke to Kat that he knew Reddington.   I think we need to know more about Sam's background. 
We also need to know what the "safe" issue is all about.  The world knows by now who she is.  

I don't feel like I got to see enough of Ilya.  Need to see more for sure!  We have no idea where he lived or anything of his family. 
I did feel like he could be dark.  I think loyalty is a huge issue with him, and if he felt Kat or someone else that he trusted like Aram betrayed Levi after all they were going through, that it would change him to a darker person.  

For now, I can accept that he is our Red at that point of the show unless we get something else to show otherwise.

I did get a chance to hear GSM podcast.  Aaron made a good point 44 - 47  minutes in, about things on screen being true so to speak.  Did anyone else get a chance to hear it yet?  I think he made a good point. 
I would like to get some points of view of this. 

Well, off to RL for now 






 

What parts of Dom's story are likely true?
1. Katarina did not die in the ocean.
2. It's highly probable she went to a church for sanctuary. We've seen Red do that on more than one occasion.
3. Katarina probably did recover in the homeless shelter. We know Red is a financial supporter of a homeless shelter, probably because of Katarina's experience with one. This is why Red identified and sympathized so much with the homeless woman last season.
4. Katarina probably did intervene in a domestic dispute and kill the abuser with a spoon. We saw Red intervene in a similar situation in the Marvin Gerard episode. And we've seen him use another kitchen tool, the meat thermometer, in a similar way.The story becomes less believable as soon as she leaves the shelter. I can't see Katarina being dumb enough to use dead guy's credit card to buy a tiny computer and pay for her hotel room. It leaves too much of a trail when you're desperate to "stay dead."
5. I believe Katarina helped Dom and her mother go into hiding. I question whether Dom was in Moscow when she contacted him.
6. Somehow Katarina acquired fake IDs and fake passports. This could have been done with help of someone like Ilya.It seems to me at least some of that RR bribe money had to have been acquired before the Koehler surgeries. Katarina was broke and Ilyas had supposedly liquidated his assets for Screen Mama. How would they have paid for the plastic surgery? If someone like Ilyas was involved in a bank withdrawal, Katarina likely used him to portray Reddington and act like he had changed his appearance.
7. The only other part of Dom's tale I believe for sure is that he last saw Katarina as a woman ws in the review of his Wagoneer

Last edited by Tuxie400 (5/02/2019 2:29 pm)

KathyN, good to hear from you. I agree, I want to know how Sam, Illya, Katarina, Reddington, all knew each other. If Illya is who they say he is, then how did he know Sam, particularly? I've long wondered if Sam was only undercover as a grifter and con artist, maybe he was also a Russian spy. Maybe part of the Oleander thing. Red has also shown he has a thing for con artists and grifters. And then there's his friendship with carnies and the Smokey's of the world.

We really don't know anything about Illya other than what we were briefly shown in Rassvet. He could easily have lived in Takoma Park while working at the Embassy. Maybe his father was there, too? That would be funny because I've always thought that Red's father was maybe a diplomat of some sort, maybe US Embassy in St. Petersburg. It would be funny if it turned out to be the opposite. Maybe Illya grew up here instead and the Takoma Park house was his family's house? He never said when he lived anywhere. He could have been raised there. Maybe bubble girl was his sister or his daughter? All we know is that he and Katarina made a pledge when they were six. Perhaps that was when one of them moved to the US?

Honey west, Tuxie,
I don't understand this adamant I insistence that everything on screen should be taken at face value. I just don't get it. Film and literature I'd the fictional sort are  ever to be taken literally.

Honey West wrote:

I wonder if Dom's "plan" will do the same thing.

If he does get shot, I predict it'll be by the Russians, not Red.

And I agree: I think there are some compelling parallels between the actions of Kate and Dom.

Hey everyone, don't forget Blacklist will be on an hour earlier tomorrow and for the last two episodes.  I just told my husband to remind me and I wrote myself a note. LOL