The Blacklist Refugees » Episode 6.06

Eastcoast · 2/10/2019 12:45 pm

I have never seen him say anything about it either. It is interesting that 14 is the age also given in the 1st pilot he wrote, so I thought Liz said it on purpose to throw him off or see how he would react.

Tuxie400 · 2/11/2019 11:06 am

I see Aaron Peterson of the The Blacklist Exposed and Tessa of tessabltheorist@tumblr.com are linking Red's extracting information from Atticus as means of getting to the Corsican. We know the Corsican is coming back into the show at some point. He is being sought by the FBI, and he's an assassin. Those things match up with what Red said about Atticus's "friend." There's also a real world precedent of a Corsican, Lucien Sarti, being suspected of involvement in the Kennedy assassination. So the very mention of a Corsican assassin reverberates in the collective unconscious as being connected with a presidential assassination. I think Red plans to get his new immunity agreement by stopping an attempt on Preisdent Diaz's life. When I thought of this, I thought about that presidential limousine in Season 2. Was it foreshadowing something like this?

Tatiana · 2/11/2019 11:19 am

Tuxie - excellent point. My husband and I were talking about what Red was trying to accomplish at the St. Louis facility. Red clearly stated her needed to get leverage for a new immunity agreement. In order to do that it would have to be something really big. They left the President Diaz story hanging unfinished so that would be a perfect conclusion. How else to leverage than to intercept an assassination attempt on the leader of the free world.
In doing so, however, they would need to preserve his reputation in the criminal community and somehow allow him to break out of jail. I'm still a little confused about what he's in court for: he was arrested because someone called him in and because he was carrying an illegal weapon. Ok, they could still drop those charges. But the state's attorney is trying to get him on treason. Could they drop those charges because they don't have sufficient evidence? There's no end to the number of crimes they could try to get RR on.
So I would think they'd have to stage some kind of prison break. Maybe from the gen pop prison, that shouldn't be too hard. Then the Feds wouldn't look so foolish?

Tuxie400 · 2/11/2019 11:32 am

Tatiana - A new immunity agreement would waive prosecution on all crimes prior to the date it's signed. It wouldn't matter how many crimes that was, if the information was valuable enough. Also, saving a president would be quite the opposite of treason and Red could end up getting a presidential pardon. A real prison break wouldn't be necessary. But the government might actually help him stage one to keep his status in the criminal world.

Eastcoast · 2/11/2019 1:13 pm

Someone mentioned that they had not heard the treason charge before. I remember his old room mate saying, that maybe they facilitated his treason. I think they probably look at it as treason that he would give documents to all the places they were speaking of in the pilot.
I like the link you made to Diaz. That would be interesting.

Tuxie400 · 2/11/2019 1:24 pm

We've heart of a treason charge before - just not that it involved selling data to Russia. The info in the pilot was about Mahgreb, Pakistan and Beijing.

Tatiana · 2/11/2019 1:30 pm

Don't you find that interesting, Tuxie, that they specifically wanted to indict him on charges of treason for selling secrets to Russia? Absent the other countries?
I get it. But in the back of my mind I have to wonder about all the other slightly off 'facts' of this story? Belgrade and Belfast? The dog that changes then disappears? Lots more, but I can't think of them momentarily.

Eastcoast · 2/11/2019 1:35 pm

Ok, Russia? When I heard that I was baffled like everyone else. They have too many different writers. It is hard for me to grasp how some of us can pick up on this as soon as it is said, but they cannot after proofreading it several times?
I wonder if James, Megan or any of them ever speak up and say that isn't consistent? I was just thinking of how many people read the script and it slips by.

Eastcoast · 2/11/2019 1:36 pm

Tatiana wrote:
Don't you find that interesting, Tuxie, that they specifically wanted to indict him on charges of treason for selling secrets to Russia? Absent the other countries?
I get it. But in the back of my mind I have to wonder about all the other slightly off 'facts' of this story? Belgrade and Belfast? The dog that changes then disappears? Lots more, but I can't think of them momentarily.

Yes! That's why we have the other board. 🙂

Tatiana · 2/11/2019 1:39 pm

Eastcoast, Exactly! LOL

And interestingly, no one has brought up or discussed any of those theories in general fandom, or if they have, I haven't seen it.

Eastcoast · 2/11/2019 1:47 pm

I was wondering if anyone did or not. I do Google stuff for promos and sometimes I see stuff on Reddit when I get time. But I only recall seeing a comment once that someone thought it would be stupid. I think it would be complex given the nature of this show. You don't usually see it in relation to this.

Tuxie400 · 2/11/2019 1:53 pm

I have seen multiple personality mentioned a few times on fb and reddit. But very few times.

I don't think Spader or Boone would notice the wrong country or city in the script. Both the Brussels/Belgrade mixup and the treason country change were Ressler's lines to Cooper. I don't see Diego or Harry as remembering much from that far back. The actors don't rewatch these shows over and over again like we do.

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Tatiana · 2/11/2019 1:55 pm

Yes, very few times. And on the rare occasion when it is brought up, no one participates in the conversation.

I have to say, I do not think they would portray it in the way they have in the past in cinema but for the life of me I have not been able to envision how they will.

Big Badd Bazzer · 2/11/2019 4:37 pm

Here's another thought from Beyond the Beyond . . .

What if Red is really a govt. agent who's so deep under cover in criminal organizations that his true identity has actually been replaced by his cover?

Can this happen? One thinks not.

However, consider decades under cover and having to become the person you are supposed to be, not the one you are. You're very behavior becomes the masquerade, not your life. You life becomes the masquerade!

Tatiana · 2/11/2019 4:57 pm

Big Badd Bazzer wrote:
However, consider decades under cover and having to become the person you are supposed to be, not the one you are. You're very behavior becomes the masquerade, not your life. You life becomes the masquerade!

I think this is very true for Red. Remember the Hideous Fish story?

Tuxie400 · 2/11/2019 6:21 pm

BBB - As long as he's been at this Concierge of Crime business, I would think Red is divorced now from his original self. He probably wouldn't even recognize himself.

Honey West · 2/11/2019 7:48 pm

I think that’s why he needs Liz, to help him find his original self.

Tuxie400 · 2/11/2019 8:07 pm

Honey West wrote:
I think that’s why he needs Liz, to help him find his original self.

I like this idea!

Big Badd Bazzer · 2/11/2019 9:01 pm

Great idea - Red needs Liz's memory and the post office database (aka Aram)

But like most thing's they've developed a familial association - that borders on love w/ a minimal dose of affection!!!

Eastcoast · 2/12/2019 1:02 am

HW, He said she is his way home/original self could be another way to put that. I like it.

I was thinking about the answer Red gave about his dad not being good. I am not sure he was indicating he wasn't good to him. I listened to it again a few times and it didn't sound that way to me. It made me think about what Liz was saying to Jennifer about Red being both good and bad. He could have been a decent father to him, but not a "good" person overall in what the Dr. or society would call good. Especially if he had anything to do with the spy business or had murdered people. In that respect, Red knows he would not be considered "good".

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