Secondary note about last night's Golden Globes debacle. Not worth watching on so many levels. Never an award or nomination for great actors from Person of Interest or The Blacklist. Actors like Jim Caviezel, Amy Acker, James Spader, Sarah Shahi, Enrico Colantoni, Mozhan Marno, Megan Boone, Kevin Chapman, Michael Emerson are never nominated. I understand about Caviezel due to his religious beliefs but can't believe some of the low-enders nominated for mediocre or not very good shows. Person of Interest & Blacklist are amongst the best shows ever - but get ignored for lesser product. Perhaps those products know how to send Foreign Press voters valuable gift packets and cash. 

Its actually sickening.

That said, the two best parts of the Globes - Carol Burnett's speech and Jeff Bridges psychedelic diatribe. Fabulous but less than 12 minutes of a laborious 3 hour plus snooze-fest.

Tuxie400 wrote:

BBB - It will be fun to see Red build a team inside the prison walls and to see what assignments he gives to his friends on the outside to help his case, or help him escape. 

One thing we know. Red won't remain static.

Huge fun watching him build a team from within.

And still having so many emissaries he can partially (or fully) trust visit him to take their marching orders!!!

FUNNNNNN . . . . . . WILD RIDE LIST

I have been searching the post but I Can't find where I think Tuxie asked if anyone noticed that the others suddenly know what was in the bag. 

I noticed something else, did anyone find it strange that she is supposed to think he is Red, but he erased who he was on the flash drive?  That whole thing didn't make much sense to me even on my rewatch.  Maybe I wasn't hearing it right. I am in bed with the Flu which is why i haven't posted in a few days.

Is that what you guys got out of it?

For some reason I didn't see the conflict you all have noted about Red being an impostor and the bench conversation. Can someone point it out to me?
I saw it as a cat and mouse game, to a certain degree. Remember before Red and Liz had a conversation (6.01) right after the doctor whispers something to Red and Liz confronts him. Red says I'll tell you mine if you tell me  yours. 
So to me, the cat is out of the bag (wow, mixing too many metaphors, hahahaha!). They're just still playing chess. Each is waiting to figure out the next move, but no one's moving yet. So Red knows that Liz knows he's an impostor, but Liz is still playing that he's her father. I took the exchange on the bench as her questioning him about his identity (without directly asking) and his continuing to put up a wall that it's HIS secret and to leave him alone. He just won't divulge that secret. So my sense is that he knows she knows but he won't acknowledge it until she admits she knows something about him and she is up to 'something' with Jennifer. 

Thanks, Tuxie! 

By the way, I was going through a ton of my notes to catch up and I came across something you wrote just before we started our other discussion board (because things were getting way too dark). 
There were so many references to chess and to Alice in Wonderland and you said:Getting back to Alice Through the Looking Glass and that chess game, I think it gives us a big clue about Liz. She replaces the white queen's daughter, Lily, and stands in for her during the Chess match. We've often speculated about replacement daughters, or children being switched. I think there's good reason to think the child switching is a strategy Red or his opponent has used.
Do you realize how significant this is? "I think this gives us a big clue about Liz, she replaces the white queen's daughter Lily..."!!!

Jennifer's birth name was Lilly! 
I wonder what your thoughts are about this?
Plus, since I am not that familiar with Alice in Wonderland, there's a white queen and a red queen and one usurped the other's place on the 'throne?' so to speak (I have no idea what I'm talking about here) but is it possible this is a reference to Carla and Katarina's relationship? If there are ways to point out this parallel, it could support the theory that Carla and Katarina are actually biological sisters.

Thoughts?

Tuxie400 wrote:

Tatiana - The conflict I see is that Liz doesn't want him to know she knows, and yet she's saying things that tip him off.  Red's acting like she already knows he's an imposter. Bokenkamp said Red didn't know yet in these two episodes. I didn't think the cat was supposed ot be out of the bag yet.  There are two threads about this on the Redarina FB page. Tom Clark started the first one.

 

Right.  He gave the impression it would be a While before he knew which is part of what I was looking forward to.

I was thinking more about Red's LSD speech, Cary Grant, and how that applies to The Blacklist.   Because Grant was made by his father to think his mother had abandoned him as a child, he always expected his female lovers and wives to abandon him too. (His father lied, by the way! The father actually had the mother committed to a Mental Institution and Grant found her later in his adult life.) The LSD therapy was to deal with his childhood issues that were interfering with his adult life and his inability to sustain relationships. I got this info from the Becoming Cary Grant documentary on Hulu. I watched it last fall.

It's interesting to me how Cary Grant's childhood situation sort of parallelled Liz's.  She was told her mother and father abandoned her, and that had to affect her deeply too.  In fact, I wonder if Liz isn't feeling super abandoned again by the death of Tom and losing Red as her "dad." Megan is playing Liz with very little emotional affect this season, as more hardened and more protective of her feelings.  It reminds me of when Red told Sam, "She's soft, then hard, and then soft again." She's continually in hard mode this season.