IowaWatcher wrote:

Tuxie400 wrote:

Iowa Watcher - Liz may do more than just throw Jen under bus. I think Liz may be the one who ends up killing Jennifer, just to protect herself.

Yes, that's true, too. She might even do that so she'll be around to watch Agnes grow up.
 

I do have to wonder. I want to say she would not do that, but I also was not too sure Liz could turn Red in.  I thought It would have been Jennifer.

I bet Red gets to hear the phone call and hears her voice and that is how he finds out who did it. 

Another great episode! So much happening that I kept looking at the clock when the commercial breaks came along and was surprised at how little time had passed!

I suggested quite some time ago that Liz might be the one who got Red locked up. I figured to get him out of the way so she could pursue her investigation of him without him interfering. I don’t think she factored in the political career motivated prosecutor and her error is like Kate not factoring in Kirk. As usual, nobody can strategize like Red can, even though they presume they can equal him.

Reds General Assembly speech was fun. I wonder if the LSD references were maybe a shout out to the MKUltra LSD experiments during the Cold War?

Another thing I thought about was Red saying he was turning 60 and wanted to see if he still had it. Unless they are playing with the calendar again, the official birthdate of RR would only have him turning 59 like James Spader. So I wonder if Imposter Red is actually a year older than RR? If that is the case, then so much for the Twin Theory! LOL!

I am thinking that Liz's statement about being abducted from Russia might be one of her usual jumps to a conclusion. I would imagine that the memory of the abduction might be a tampered one and that she probably doesn’t really know the real details.

I am not convinced that Jennifer is not working for someone else who wants to get Red. I wonder if it will turn out that she is actually manipulating Liz. She seems to play right into Liz’s desire for revenge. I also don’t think Jennifer will survive the season, she’ll probably go out at mid season.

A Red Liz showdown has probably been inevitable since the beginning, so that isn’t too surprising. The interesting part is what will happen? Red tends to execute his betrayers. Yet he would die for Liz. So as a betrayer Liz should have to die, but that would seem to go against Red's "prime directive". In order to protect her, he would have to kill himself. Or totally cut off any and all contact with her, which, to him, would pretty much be the same thing.

I think we are going to get some great storytelling for the rest of the show.

IamCngRed wrote:

IowaWatcher wrote "I don't think Red had a sex change."
Though Red *did* say ".. wouldn't  be the PERSON I am..."  referencing Dr. Koehler's work!

True! And that might be the ultimate answer. Time will tell . . .

Honey West: wouldn't it be wild if it were Katerina controlling Jennifer? (although Jennifer probably wouldn't know who she was).

Along the lines of really weird stuff: so circumstances force Liz to disappear, and she has all the plastic surgery done and becomes . . . TOM KEEN! So the last episode, flash forward twenty years, has Tom Keen walking up to the FBI and saying, "I speak only with Agnes Keen . . ."

Yeah, too much pizza last night! Gotta go exercise and get the weirdness out of my system.

Last edited by IowaWatcher (1/05/2019 12:23 pm)

IowaWatcher wrote:

Along the lines of really weird stuff: so circumstances force Liz to disappear, and she has all the plastic surgery done and becomes . . . TOM KEEN! So the last episode, flash forward twenty years, has Tom Keen walking up to the FBI and saying, "I speak only with Agnes Keen . . ."

LOL 
 

Thank you everyone for the warm welcome back. RL has been hectic but it's certainly good to be back :-)

Anyone have ideas how Red will ultimately get out of prison?

Mine is that at the 11th hour, Liz will come forward in court stating that Red is an imposter, with the evidence she and Jennifer gathered, and therefore is innocent of what the real Red did. Of course this theory doesn't cover all the crimes our fake Red has done, but only the task force knows what he's done and hopefully will keep mum.

Liz saving Red may redeem her betrayal of him.

I just hope that they don't leave him in prison for too long. Red is a lot more interesting when he is out and about doing things. While it might be marginally humorous watching him take over the prison and run a scam or two, it would get old fast.

How he gets out? I'd have to ponder that. Something complicated, needing split second-timing to add to the suspense.
 

That is a very good question, Colleen. Welcome back, BTW! I hadn't even considered how he would get out of prison. I suspect it might have something to do with that prosecutor having a somewhat shortened career since she is the one refusing to cooperate with Harold. Unless she is pressured by someone even higher up the Government or Cabal food chain to stop. I still think that what Red does is important to maintaining the global balance of power, as well as pursuing his criminal enterprises. I still think there is a hidden agenda that we've only seen peeks of, such as Red's Map of Doom, the Fulcrum, etc.

Welcome back, Hiatus refugees!

Thought I'd lay down my comments without first looking at anyone else's. (ie. not influenced by outside forces)

1st hour was a very good review of things as they stood. Excellent actually. Not much action - the scene with Mozhan and her doctor looked kinda ridiculous on the face of it but became riveting near the end with that one extra question from her doctor. Mozhan looked puzzled about her memory - something is amiss - and we won't find out til much later . . . will we?

TBL continues to portray one member of the team as its longest-running stiff. Amir is still seen as the internal hero. 

Thought the best acting (aside from Spader, always aside from Spader) was Fiona Dourif as Jennifer. She was both eery and spooky and somewhat sympathetic at the same time. Nice job Fiona.

2nd hour - perhaps one of the best eps of TBL in its 6 yr history. Spader was at his best. Liz is really doing a good job staying with Spader in their numerous scenes together. She really has learned - from a criminal master - and from an acting master. 

Thought for sure Fiona (Jennifer) was the one who tipped of Constable Fatty Arbuckle about Red. Quite a shocker when Liz revealed herself as the one. She's having a major dose of second thoughtism, isn't she?

Thought the guy who played the killer was superb. Can't remember where I've seen him before - other TV shows for sure - but also movies. Someone please help or I'll have to google . . .

Officer Fatty Arbuckle was a real tour de force in a fairly minor role. Perhaps they'll give him more as Red tried to do a number on the porker policeman. But now the prosecutor has control of Red - even Deirdre refuses to override the Red/Post Office connection. Nice to see Ms. Lovejoy and her glorious southern accent back on the program. She does a lot with very little air time.

Mozhan's memory crisis has yet to surface. I'm sure writers and show-runners have parked that one for a future critical episode.

Mozhan & Dembe greeting each other was priceless! Prolly the first time those two key players have acknowledged each other on-screen.

Still hoping Officer Fatty Arbuckle will come into play after his collar was pulled out from under him by the southern district prosecutor (who's also running for president)

The soundtrack of both eps was amazing, especially the 2nd hour!

Good to be black (codespeak for good to be back)


BBB

Tuxie400 wrote:

Hi BBB!  Good to see you posting! We missed your live comments last night. I preferred the first ep. to the second, but enjoyed both. I thought Fiona did a great acting job too!

 Was out for dinner last nite so couldn't watch live. Did the PVR thing this a.m.
Fiona has sure come a long way from Ian's waitress to Liz's twisted sister, hasn't she?

Sadly, I don't think they'd be able to fit her in for more than a couple more episodes. 

Most missed characters still remain - 1. Tom Keen, 2. Mr. Kaplan, 3. Baz - - - - immo

Have to give TBL show-runners credit. They really couldn't advance story-lines and character development with Tom & Mr. Kaplan still absorbing copious quantities of air-time. 

Wonder what they have planned for Mozhan? Something's not right!

Nice to see you hack BBB!

Yes, I thought Fiona was great and she has come a long way.  I was thinking about what she was saying to Liz about not having any life. I think that was true.  She  spent her life hiding and afraid for no reason. That is sad.
I'm sure Liz is the only family she has now.  She seems very eager to Keep her for Herself.