I think it's anyone's guess what really happened on fire night.  We're told that the main event may have happened but that the people and the events have been altered.  For example, how do we even know that "ring man" was actually the person who put Liz in the closet, or that "ring man" was her father.

Interestingly, we are never shown anyone starting the fire just the flames sort of come from nowhere.  Anyone could have set the fire, it could have been an accident, it could have been deliberate - either to torch someone deliberately or to cover up the murder of someone to make it look like the person was killed in the fire.  So IMO anything is possible.  

Eastcoast - interesting thoughts.  I wonder if the "secret" that Liz knew as a child is one and the same secret, or maybe just another one.

I did raise the "secret" dialogue in the closet a while back.  I don't recall all of the discussion but one of my thoughts was that the "secret" was the fulcrum that was in the bunny.  Perhaps she knew of it or saw it or knew something was in the bunny and whoever put it there told her it was a secret.  When Red had her memory changed he inadvertently lost access to that info.  

The thing that never added up for me though was why her memory would have been changed before getting that info. (on the fulcrum).  Perhaps Red didn't know at the time that she knew (though wasn't that his entire purpose of having Dr. Orchard prolong the memory regression?).  That whole thing never added up for me.

Anyway the "secret" Liz knew could have been many things, that was just one idea.

I do not know if we ever discussed this, but does anyone know when the fire night flashbacks were filmed? 
I know Braxton 2 was in season 2 and the hair looks like hers and not the wig, but we have flashbacks starting in S1 and go through S2 finale. 

Do you think the fire filming was done in segments as they went or all done in season 1 and shown to us here and there since we see the flashbacks starting in S1.

I just wondered.

I hope you are having fun while your out of town!!

I will check that out.

I need to ask this a different way.

Do we know if they filmed the flashbacks all at once in advance? 
The Johns have said they knew in advance where they going with this. 
So I wondered if they filmed it and then wrote around it so to speak.  I'm just looking for anything that could explain some inconsistencies.

I found something else earlier when I was watching. I need to put it somewhere else though.

 Since we know the events of the fire that we saw are probably not in order or even the people we think
they are because they might be changed around I have been wondering if by some chance that one of the men at the fire could have been Kirk?
 
I wonder what could have made a man or anyone shake off a little girl and leave her in a fire?
If he were the one pointing a gun getting ready to shoot the person in the floor and Liz yelled, "daddy no!" I could see him doing that. 
 I think he knows about the fire. I do not believe that he knew nothing of it.   A billionaire who just figures his daughter was gone and he would never find her after her mother walks in the water?  Wife, daughter and nanny gone and doesn't hire someone to look for them.  The police were there and were aware of what happened and a child was taken.  It is just too much stuff. He is like a relentless hound dog when he wants something and kills whoever is in his way. 
So,  Maybe he thought she died in the fire because he left her there and that is why he did not go looking for her. 



 

Greetings Refugees!
It is always good to see you all active here when I have a chance to get here and read all your great thoughts from time to time. Currently, I have a question that if anyone knows, someone here does.
I have recently been watching Alias for the first time. I am actually in the last few episodes of the series, and I cannot tell you how many times I have LAUGHED OUT LOUD at the parallels and even very specific details transported from that series to TBL! I had no idea!! I do know, of course, that Jon E. is a producer on both shows...he needs to sue himself for copyright infringements. Just the other day I saw an Alias episode where a female character was having a flashback of being placed in a slatted-door closet as a little girl by her father--told to hide there when he then goes on to have an argument with creepy spy pals and gets killed--all sounding kind of muffled...as she clutched her stuffed bear. It was Masha with her rabbit to a t!
So, I wondered if anyone knows if/where there has been some kind of cataloguing of these parallels. I have searched online to no avail--but cannot imagine there isn't some dedicated (geeky) fan who has written about such things. I even thought perhaps it had been done on the Support Group...but couldn't find it there. If anyone knows of such a thing, I would be so interested to be directed there. I know that I am very late to this particular party!! As surely everyone else in the known universe watched Alias way back when...but it's pretty funny to watch it after being a Blacklist fan lo these past 5 years and to see the similarities. Even the super-secret organization is called the APO (as in, Army Post Office)--precursor to *our* Post Office blacksite.
Thanks for any guidance!! HOPE YOU ARE ALL WELL!!

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