lara1 wrote:

Though why "Red/KR" would tell that story to Jennifer as her "father" - no clue.  Unless Jennifer is Kr's daughter too, which is does not seem possible.  More interesting to me actually is why Red told the story at all - probably just to try to get the lead on the duffel bag.
 

That's what I figure at this point. Since it seems like they are trying to imply that Red killed Naomi, i believe Red was just looking to see if Jennifer knew anything (either from Garvey or Naomi) and figured she would want to know why she was left by her father in order for him to get his answers.  And he may have also felt bad for her and wanted to give her something that might help her feel better (that her father didn't leave her because he didn't love her, etc). 

Tuxie400 wrote:

lara1 wrote:

Though why "Red/KR" would tell that story to Jennifer as her "father" - no clue.  Unless Jennifer is Kr's daughter too, which is does not seem possible.  More interesting to me actually is why Red told the story at all - probably just to try to get the lead on the duffel bag.
 

When a spy is undercover (and it's to protect themselves and their child), he/she stays in character no matter what.

Tuxie400 - so true.  LOL. 

Tatiana wrote:

Phone booth: has someone pointed this out already? 
This clip shows Katerina in phone booth, having been identified and  knowing she was being pursued. She has to go away.

The phone booth reminds me of the pay phone from which Red calls Liz (when Liz asks him point blank, are you my father, and he says no). In that case Red knew he was being pursued and he was going away. 

Great parallel, Tatiana! I don't think anyone has ever made that connection before.  It sort of reminds me of Red on the swing in Season 1. And then we get the photo of Liz and Katarina in a swing in Red's flat.
 

lara1 wrote:

tatiana - interesting observation.  Two different phone booths with KR.  

Did you notice the phone both included in that last scene, before Red is abducted?  It was just on the street, he didn't use it, but it was firmly in camera shot.

Or, just one of those relics from the past that keep cropping up and connecting things - somehow.

Absolutely noticed it :-)

The only place I've still seen public phones on the street was  in Brooklyn, but that was several years ago now... Although since most of the shooting is done in nyc, perhaps they are still in use?

There are still pay phones in NYC but far far fewer than there used to be.  Some of the pay phones seen in TBL, on the streets of NY, have actually been staged there - meaning there was no actual pay phone on the street, they set one up.

I am going to walk to the place where I last saw a pay phone in my neighborhood, to see if it is still there.  I last actually used it around 6 years ago if it is even still there, LOL. 

The things I am curious to see answered in a Redarina context (which I believe they probably all can be) are:
1) The Diane Fowler family reference.  I'd always been willing to consider that the family didn't necessarily refer to wife/child, but possibly parents/siblings when it came to Red.  I wonder if the same could have been true to Katarina.  Did something happen to her mother, maybe a sibling?   Or is the family Raymond and Masha and 'that night' was the fire?  At the time I doubt Diane Fowler knew Liz was Masha.  But she had figured out who Red was. 
2) The Tacoma Park house.  Red said he raised his family there.  Was that a home Katarina had where she would take Masha and stay with Raymond or at least be nearby so that they could spend time together? The child height chart only went up to about age 3, which may have been when Katarina began pulling away from Raymond.  
3) The burns on his back.  Are the burn scars real or did Katarina have them created while undergoing plastic surgery to become Red in case people who were at the fire and saw him lying on the floor became suspicious as to how he got out of there without injury?   I had wondered if they were perhaps an injury Katarina could have already had, but they don't show burn scars on her exposed back in Cape May, so that seems unlikely. 
4) The ballet from 1987: who was the girl (if she's important at all) and why was that particular performance important enough to have recreated year after year on the same date? 
5) If Raymond indeed died in the fire after being shot by Liz,  how was his death covered up for close to a year?  
6) Why keep Kaplan and Dom from knowing each other? (though obviously Kaplan knew more than Red believed)  I used to think it was because neither of them had all the information, but it appears now that they both knew everything.  Was it to prevent an alliance against Red to keep him out of Liz's life?  Or that Dom didn't know exactly where Liz was as a child and Red feared Kaplan might tell him, resulting in him interfering?  This one is probably one of the least likely things to get answered. I've just always found it interesting. 
7) What was Raymond Reddington really like?  Jennifer called him 'kind, decent, honest'.  He was clearly working his way up in the Pentagon and was considered a threat to the Soviet Union.   Did he stay that way until he died?  Red says the Cold War was 'too hard' on Liz's father.  We know from Katarina's journal that Raymond wanted her to run off with Masha and be a family.  Was he really prepared to also leave Jennifer?  Or did he plan to kidnap Jennifer if Katarina agreed to run away with him?  I'm interested to learn who the real guy was. 
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8) How did Katarina know Sam?  He called her Kat, while everyone else always refers to her as Katarina.  And Red told Liz he had known Sam most of his life.  Did Katarina and Sam know each other as children?

Last edited by Brittany (5/20/2018 7:45 am)

Brittany - some of the things you list, particularly the first few, are things for me that are problematic for Rederina.  Though I don't dismiss the theory entirely.

The whole thing with KR and Sam and Red - presumably, after the fire, the real RR was dead. Yet KR mentioned that both she and RR trusted him.   it always seemed problematic to me that Raymond Reddington, naval officer, would know Sam out in Nebraska.  and FBI could not connect real RR and Sam.  But imposter Red could know Sam, and also that connection would not be made by FBI or others.  I believe that's why Sam was "chosen" to look after Masha/Liz in the first place.  Of course it could very well be that "real" RR did know Sam somehow.  Anyhow, it seems to me that at that point, there was a KR and a RR - and if the real one died in the fire, that's imposter Red.  So no Rederina.  Maybe.  

Interesting thoughts, Brittany.  for me, I think that "imposter Red" knew Sam.  I think that when he told Liz that he knew Sam for almost all of his life, and all of hers, that he meant it.  And he loved him dearly.  "Current Red" in fact cried and sobbed after he had killed Sam when no one else was watching so he did care for him.  then again, that might point it back to Rederina.    

Tuxie400 - any thoughts on the Red/Sam scene through Rederina prism?

Last edited by lara1 (5/20/2018 4:54 pm)

There’s also the possibility that Katarina was interested in both men and women, or at the very least was willing to sleep with a woman if it got her what she needed or wanted.  There were times when she was talking to Kaplan that she would take on a bit of a seductive tone and look, perhaps because she knew or suspected Kaplan was gay, and that it might help sway her into whatever Katarina wanted.

My thought for the day is IDK, IDK.  my head is buzzing.    I just didn't see any of Red's liaisons with women as woman to woman.  Not to say they couldn't be of course, I just didn't get that vibe at all.  But i do think that all of the major clues to the real story are in Season 1.