Somewhere, someone mentioned Dom's jacket looking like the one Kate was wearing walking down the street when the pickup gave her a ride. I rewatched both scenes and yes I think they are the same jacket. Brown Cordoroy, you can pick up the wales of the fabric very quickly just before the pickup comes. It shows up in a ray of light. The same thing in the garage with Red. You can see the wales in the fabric. Another thing. Why would the writer's even mention Red wearing Dom's jacket. Unless they 1) wanted us to see how familiar Red felt around Dom, not needing to ask to wear his jacket. or 2) wanting us to notice the jacket for future implications. The jacket that Kate is wearing is way too big for her. And if it is the same jacket, how did Mountain man get it. Did Red set this all up and knew Mountain man lived up there, sent him to fetch Kate, knowing he hadn't really killed her. I also think Kate knew the person in the pickup. I just can't imagine Kate getting in a car with a complete stranger.

Last edited by susmize13 (11/22/2016 2:28 pm)

Well, the turkey is about to gobble up all of my time over the next few days.  Since no one over at my place shares my obsession for The Blacklist, my own re-watch is being placed on hold for a few days!

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!   

If we didn't have enough clues and possibilities to gobble up I will posit up a couple more:

1. What if Dom and Mountain Man Leon (both backwoodsmen if you will) are connected?

2. What if Dom picked up Mr. Kaplan on the road out?

Chilling, I know!

Points to ponder!

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Another thought. What if what Red whispered to Kirk was about Dom. Or maybe Katarina's mother? We have zero info about her, so we could make up all kinds of stories! 

Honey West wrote:

All I know for sure is that the answer to the paternity question didn't really answer much of anything. Clever writers!

No kidding! I still don't know what this show is about. LOL

susmize13 wrote:

I don't think we've heard the last from Dom. I rewatched the Artax Network and then Mateo and then the conclusion. Two things kept gnawing at me - those brown jackets, not the one Red was wearing, but the one Dom was wearing, pockets - looked identical to Kate's jacket. The second thing is that picture of the family that Red found in Dom's garage - identical to the one Liz saw at the Summer palace except for the name Masha in the corner, does not look at all like the one in the fire scene memory. ? how did it get from Dom's garage to the summer palace. Another possible connection to the woodsman - Dom said that after Katerina died he crawled into the wilderness like a wounded animal. There has got to be something we're missing about how they are all connected. Anyone have any thoughts?

Well I wrote a long reply to this and my computer crashed and I lost it all!  I'll try to re-create it!  LOL

Some of us have surmised in the past that Kaplan might be an ex-wife or estranged current wife of Dom (but not Katarina)

I think the brown corduroy jackets are definitely signaling to us that there is a link of some kind - either with Kaplan and Dom or woodsman and Dom.  Someone had replied to me in an earlier thread that the jackets were not only similar but identical.  Also, Kaplan was wearing one of the woodsman's plaid shirts when she was cooking up the soup/stew in the cabin.  Did anyone happen to notice whether that shirt was similar to the one that Dom wore in Artax?

I'm wondering if the connection is more between Kaplan and Dom, as she donned both the shirt and the jacket, though they both belonged to the woodsman, so I suppose it also could be a woodsman/Dom connection.

the other question is whether Red is aware of the woodsman - I don't think the cabin was on Red's land (in which case I think Red would know about him).  I also don't think that Red, even if he knew the woodsman was out there, thought that the woodsman would "rescue" Kaplan.

The other interesting thing to me is not only does Red wear that jacket of Dom's in artax, but he also wears a brown jacket in the same hue in the episode where he goes to get Kirk on the rooftop.  So is that somehow connecting Red/Dom/Kaplan.?

One of my theories is that Red spent time in Dom's household - either he was adopted or otherwise partially raised in that household perhaps a nephew or otherwise.  For me, there was a familial vibe with Red/Dom and to me, Red was looking upon Dom almost like a paternal figure - the look of rejection he has when dom leaves him standing at the front door; his upset with Dom when he gets frustrated with him and says, "Dom - you still have family", or something like that, and Dom brushes off the remark with something like, what, the baby?  I wonder whether there was something deeper there, as if dom was inadvertently brushing off Red as family even though Red may have been part of his household, hence Red's frustration while still acceptance of Dom.  But that is just a theory, like most others, we don't know yet and I suppose one could point to things that might negate it.  

Just editing this to say that when I wrote "but not Katarina", i meant "not Katarina's mother".

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I theorized a little while ago that i thought today's Red was actually someone else who took over original Red's identity, even so far as to have had plastic surgery. There is a definite bond of some kind between Red and Dom, and like Lara 1, I can see a paternal thing going on here. I had theorized that the original Red was killed that night of the fire and was indeed Liz's father and that someone took over his personna, someone who knew both Katerina and "Red". I theorized that it was Katerina's brother, which would make today's Red Dom's son, but a son that Dom sees as dead, therefore Dom feels that he has no family left. But I think we could see Dom's affection for new Red, when he sees the piano fixed. And the familiarity with the two of them - the hot sauce vs. pepper, the coffee mugs that someone noticed were the same, the fact that "Red" knew where to look for the things in the garage, and him trying to put away groceries as he had probably done years before, only to find out that Dom had rearranged the pantry. And another thing that I don't think we can ignore. There is too much Russian stuff around this new "Red". The Bethesda flat is loaded with all things Russian, from photos of a Russian General to Russian nesting dolls up on the bookcases. If something along these lines were to be true, it would make alot of things fall into place. Red would not have been lying when he told Liz that her father was dead, he would not have been lying when he told her that he was not her father. And what if this fact was what he told Kirk, that Reddington is dead and I'm Nicholas, for lack of a better name (Nick's pizza) and I took over his identity to get to the truth and exact revenge. That would make Kirk let him live. Just some of my crazy thoughts.

Last edited by susmize13 (12/11/2016 4:32 pm)

I just thought I'd pass along this interesting discussion of the ever-changing appearance of Liz Keen and her character development during the course of the show. It's well thought-out by the author takadasaiko and appeared on alyblacklist's tumblr page today. (Hope I am giving enough credit where credit is due!)
http://takadasaiko.tumblr.com/post/154421522795/image-via-alyblacklist-there-were-some

Okay, I have been trying to figure out some ideas about the past and the Red, Katarina, Constantin triangle. One thing I keep tripping over is when did Red find out Katarina was KGB? Before Liz? After Liz? Just before the fire? After the fire? Before she was even assigned to him? I.e - he was actually assigned to her? Or just before he disappeared?
Whenever he found that out, I think it set a lot of what happened later in motion.

Honey West wrote:

Okay, I have been trying to figure out some ideas about the past and the Red, Katarina, Constantin triangle. One thing I keep tripping over is when did Red find out Katarina was KGB? Before Liz? After Liz? Just before the fire? After the fire? Before she was even assigned to him? I.e - he was actually assigned to her? Or just before he disappeared?
Whenever he found that out, I think it set a lot of what happened later in motion.

 
Hi Honey West - i have been trying to figure out the same thing. If we think that the man and the woman in the fire night fight were Red and Katarina then the man seems to have only found out. That's if they were the fighting couple....i still think there's layers in there as well as gaps, so hard to conclude too much

The other thing i have been thinking about....red told Constantine that Liz/Masha had lived at Constantin's house for 4 years....which means that Red didnt take her until she was 4, and maybe right before fire night.  But if both Katarina and Masha/Liz were "lost" to Kirk, as he claimed on the rooftop, why wasnt kataria with Liz and Red - if the woman looking for Masha on fire night was Katarina, why hadnt she and Masha left together with Constantin?   And if Red simply "took" Liz/Masha at the age of 4, what event precipitated it ?

Questions, questions!