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5/02/2018 8:11 pm  #41


Re: 5.20- Nicholas T. Moore- Discussion Page

The thought crossed my mind that Naomi isn't really dead.


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5/02/2018 8:13 pm  #42


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I didn't find his behavior with her odd.  He walked away from her nearly 30 years ago.  He has no right to behave like her father in any way.  She clearly hates him. He doesn't know this woman.  The only conception of her he would have would be a little girl who has lived through too much to be that person anymore.  With Liz it was a little different because she had no idea of the history. But Red behaves the same way with Liz at times as well.  Distant and emotionless.  I think it's a compartmentalizing thing for him.   I've seen the same type of behavior in real life estranged families in counseling.   The abandoned are angry and the ones who abandon are usually distant. 

I'm really interested to know if Naomi's death is a random event or connected to the bones being unearthed. 

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5/02/2018 8:16 pm  #43


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You know what, this doesn't add up. Red knows where Naomi is. He set this up I bet.
 


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5/02/2018 8:21 pm  #44


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Tatiana wrote:

You know what, this doesn't add up. Red knows where Naomi is. He set this up I bet.
 

I did find it odd that he wouldn't know that she had died.  But if he was honoring whatever agreement they had, he may have just set her up with a new life and walked away.  He may not have kept tabs on her for fear that it would draw attention to her.  Or maybe she and her husband took off once they were sure he wasn't around and got started over again?  I'll be interested to see if JB puts out any interviews about this.  

Or maybe, just maybe, it was the old girlfriend of Frank's.  She wanted him and her dog back. 

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5/02/2018 8:22 pm  #45


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Welcome Coco, kind yes, sane.....maybe?   We are loosing our minds trying to figure this out! lol 


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5/02/2018 8:25 pm  #46


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Well, I told someone a few days ago that Naomi had not been seen filming that I could find and I bet she might might be dead. 
If it is all true then I think Frank did it. He told her about what Berlin did and does not realize that Red killed him.  I think Red will be paying Frank a visit who will be with Monica and the dog. 


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5/02/2018 8:26 pm  #47


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Tatiana wrote:

You know what, this doesn't add up. Red knows where Naomi is. He set this up I bet.
 

But how could he set this up to have Frank notify Jennifer a year ago? Red didn't know where Jennifer was. And if Red knew Naomi had a tombstone, why would he ask Jennifer to take him to Naomi.

Naomi is dead, but will we see Carla under some other name Naomi's at least as dead as Tom.  But I'm always thinking maybe Christopher Hargrave is alive.

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5/02/2018 8:27 pm  #48


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Eastcoast wrote:

Well, I told someone a few days ago that Naomi had not been seen filming that I could find and I bet she might might be dead. 
If it is all true then I think Frank did it. He told her about what Berlin did and does not realize that Red killed him.  I think Red will be paying Frank a visit who will be with Monica and the dog. 

Good idea! I can see Frank living happily with Monica and that dog.
 

 

5/02/2018 8:28 pm  #49


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Did you guys see the red bobble-headed dog on Samar's kidnapper's dash?  I just busted out laughing. The red dog theory lives!!!!

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5/02/2018 8:30 pm  #50


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Naomi never gave the impression to me either that she was afraid of Red.  She did to the FBI, yes, but not to him.  She was bold and unafraid of him.  Telling him she wouldn't go, angry when she assumed he had threatened Frank's children to get him to go into hiding with her.   I wonder if her talk to Jennifer was part of the same.  Maybe she was afraid for Jennifer, but not from Red.  Maybe she believed someone else would try to get to Jennifer through her and they were better off separated.   Maybe that person is ultimately who killed Naomi.  I find it interesting that her tombstone also said 2017 as year of death.  It may be random, but it would be very interesting if her death was  connected to all of this. 

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5/02/2018 8:37 pm  #51


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Brittany - Yes, it would be interesting if Naomi's death was somehow connected to the bones.

 

5/02/2018 8:38 pm  #52


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Welcome, Coco!

Tuxie400 wrote:

Naomi is dead, but will we see Carla under some other name. Naomi's at least as dead as Tom.  But I'm always thinking maybe Christopher Hargrave is alive.

Interesting thoughts! Maybe KR is alive and helped set up Carla with a new identity.

I think the show is done with the Tom Keen / Christopher Hargrave storyline for now, but that would make
for an interesting story arc.

I'm not sure how I feel about tonight's episode. I liked the concepts, but flow seemed very choppy. I imagine I'll like it better on the re-watch.


 

 

5/02/2018 8:39 pm  #53


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But even more than all the Naomi questions, my biggest question is why did Judson just tell Red where Garvey sent the bag of bones. Maybe I just had missing time there, but did Red either threaten Judson or offer him a bribe? The guy just seemed to willingly tell Red what he wanted to know. Too easy.

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5/02/2018 8:42 pm  #54


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Tuxie- Red insinuated that whatever choice Judson made in the process could work out well (if he cooperated) or badly (if he refused).  It was subtle, but that's what I interpreted as. 

And it seems like the 'two parter' everyone talked about is more to do with the Samar story line and not necessarily a wholly connected two parter episode.  I was worried about Aram/Amir leaving the show, but should we be worried about Samar/Mozhan?  Granted, I figure it is just a storyline to make them work out their relationship problems. But what if it isn't?   Kill Ressler instead!  I'd even sacrifice Cooper for Navabi or Aram.   Hopefully the worry is all for nothing. 

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5/02/2018 8:43 pm  #55


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It did seam easy, but he is not in a good spot. Red said he was at a crossroads that could affect the rest of his life. 


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5/02/2018 8:44 pm  #56


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What is weird about Naomi is that Red gave them new names. 


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5/02/2018 8:46 pm  #57


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Samar in peril just doesn't grab me. I'll be less affected by her death than Mieera's back in Season 1.

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5/02/2018 8:48 pm  #58


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Eastcoast wrote:

It did seam easy, but he is not in a good spot. Red said he was at a crossroads that could affect the rest of his life. 

Now I remember that bit about the crossroads. Even with that, Judson rolled pretty easily. But I guess with Garvey dead, he didn't much care anymore.

 

5/02/2018 8:51 pm  #59


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Brittany wrote:

I didn't find his behavior with her odd.  He walked away from her nearly 30 years ago.  He has no right to behave like her father in any way.  She clearly hates him. He doesn't know this woman.  The only conception of her he would have would be a little girl who has lived through too much to be that person anymore.  With Liz it was a little different because she had no idea of the history. But Red behaves the same way with Liz at times as well.  Distant and emotionless.  I think it's a compartmentalizing thing for him.   I've seen the same type of behavior in real life estranged families in counseling.   The abandoned are angry and the ones who abandon are usually distant. 

I'm really interested to know if Naomi's death is a random event or connected to the bones being unearthed. 

I agree Brittany. I know people who are almost exactly like this. Actually they are worse.  A few of the kids (the girls) are fine and were happy to have dad back and the other kids (the boys)  want nothing to do with him at All!  Wont even listen to him. Told their sisters they don't want to even hear his side of the story. 
 


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5/02/2018 8:52 pm  #60


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That is the way I took it Tuxie. Garvey cannot help him. He is on his own. 


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