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4/26/2018 7:53 pm  #81


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

She does know it was from Kaplan.  Red told her Kaplan unearthed something she shouldn’t when he admitted that the thing Tom was investigating was his secret.

 

4/26/2018 7:55 pm  #82


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

And I agree that is Red had offered anything at all it would have made a huge difference.  But he offered nothing.  And I can only imagine how flippant he will be, which won’t help his case.

 

4/26/2018 7:57 pm  #83


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

Brittany - I had forgotten that part of it. If she knows Kaplan "unearthed" the secret, she might very well be thinking it's a body. Kaplan had a track record of unearthing bodies.

 

4/26/2018 7:58 pm  #84


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

I can’t remember if unearthed was his actual term or not.  But yes, I think she would start to associate Kaplan with a body.

 

4/26/2018 8:08 pm  #85


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

Brittany - It was unearthed. Red told Liz in The Cook, "It was an item Mr. Kaplan unearthed that I wished to keep hidden."

 

4/26/2018 9:13 pm  #86


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

New here, but have been reading all the posts for quite some time now.  I think this episode furthers the Redarina theory.  I think the real RR is dead and in the duffle bag.  That’s what Liz would be devastated to know; she’s been dealing with an impostor.  That’s why Jennifer hasn’t been needing to hide all these years.  That’s the part truth Garvey learned, but doesn’t know who the impostor is. 

The impostor is Katarina.  That’s why he didn’t show any feelings for Jennifer - he’s not really her dad.  He was probably a step parent (or figure) whether he was male or female at the time of being with Carla.  But Jennifer is only Carla’s biological child.  He can’t let anyone know he’s KR - not even Liz.  That’s why he initially told Liz “no I’m not you’re father” when asked point blank. 

Just my thoughts

 

4/26/2018 9:22 pm  #87


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

Welcome Dizzy! What you wrote goes along with one of my theories about Red being an imposter in the form of Katarina with the real RR's bones in the duffel bag. I agree that it fits Garvey knowing the bones are RR, and wanting to know the whole story - who Red really is. That's definitely one of my three theories, and it's not even the wildest. There are so many variables in the show, I don't limit myself to just one theory. 

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4/27/2018 12:40 am  #88


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

Welcome Dizzy! 
 


It's a shame you have no crackers  
 

4/27/2018 12:44 am  #89


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

I think she is going to put Kaplan, unearthed and the fact that Tom got Nik to help together as soon as she finds out her badge was swiped.  We have been saying for a while that we do not know why this has not come up?  
​Could it be that Cooper saw it?  Some of us have been saying for a while he knows more than he says. 
The previews next week show Copper saying 'it's time the truth came out'.  I think he knows what Red's secret is. 



 


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4/27/2018 5:35 am  #90


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

Perhaps Liz will be able to focus more efficiently on figuring out the secret now that Garvey is dead. She was so focused on him it detracted from the bag to a degree.  Perhaps she will start connecting dots.

 

4/27/2018 8:07 am  #91


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

Brittany wrote:

Perhaps Liz will be able to focus more efficiently on figuring out the secret now that Garvey is dead. She was so focused on him it detracted from the bag to a degree. Perhaps she will start connecting dots.

I think you're right about her focus on Garvey. Now her focus will be the secret.
 

 

4/27/2018 8:41 am  #92


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

I agree.  Liz can now throw all of her energy into the secret.  

I also think that Cooper knows more than he lets on.  I don't think he knows "the ultimate secret" though - he may know part of it, or about the bones.  That is, I think there are  2 secrets.  the one that ends the show, and the bones.  

I am really looking forward to the season finale, Given that it sounds like they may be bringing back  a number of characters, if only in flashback (I doubt all of them would be available to film), I think a real double twist is in store that will change the series direction.  I know they have said this before, and, at least for me, it hasn't been dramatic on that level, but this time, I think it might.  

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4/27/2018 9:51 am  #93


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

I'm always torn on if Cooper knows more than he lets on or not.  They haven't really developed his character much over the last couple of seasons....he just gives orders for the most part.  He and Red have history, as they showed in the beginning of the series and Cooper told Liz in season 4, but they haven't brought it up much.  

 

4/27/2018 10:34 am  #94


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

I think the show runners are leaving their options open to some extent. They have Plan A if the show is renewed for Season 6 and Plan B is it isn't. Didn't someone post here about there being two sets of scenes being filed for the finale? I might be confusing that with something else I read!

 

4/27/2018 10:39 am  #95


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

IowaWatcher wrote:

I think the show runners are leaving their options open to some extent. They have Plan A if the show is renewed for Season 6 and Plan B is it isn't. Didn't someone post here about there being two sets of scenes being filed for the finale? I might be confusing that with something else I read!

I'm not sure if you are referring to something I've considered in the past, but I wondered if they had an alternate ending for season 4 because the renewal didn't come in until right before the finale aired.  In the deleted scenes for that episode, there is this alternate scene with Liz and Kaplan where Kaplan is in the attic of that barn (it looks like Kaplan is wearing the clothes she had one when she digs up the suitcase) and she and Liz are more combative versus that tenderness with that scene between them by the water that we see.  I don't know if we were meant to see both and it was cut for time or if they had it set up so that if they didn't get renewed they could end things differently.  But I also have wondered if they had their options open for the ID of the bones for renewal or cancellation status for this season. 

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4/27/2018 11:35 am  #96


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

I've never been in the camp that thinks Cooper is in on something with Red. After all, Red was blackmailing Cooper in the beginning with whatever went on in Kuwait. I see that as being similar to him trying to blackmail Mosadek into doing his bidding. Red either does something to get a person to owe him big time, or he blackmails them 

 

4/27/2018 12:20 pm  #97


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

The blackmail thing is what puts me in the Cooper doesn’t know anything camp.   His letter to Ressler made me wonder again if he did know more, but there could have been any number of things he confessed to in there that we already know.

 

4/27/2018 2:32 pm  #98


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

That might be, Brittany. I've been having some dental work done (I'm home today, recovering), so I'm not remembering things well.

Added: Welcome, Dizzy! I'm glad that you decided to join us!
 

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4/27/2018 2:44 pm  #99


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

Big Badd Bazzer wrote:

The Ass Crack of Dawn - Stubby Kaye - Cat Ballou - and then walks Anthony!

Sensational, sizzling writing to set up a dramatic situation!

 
BBB - thanks for listing the names bc I didn't get a chance to write them down    Now Cat Ballou is another title for The Blacklist must watch movie list. Cat Ballou had two characters played by one actor, the characters were brothers (one good and one bad), a daughter became an outlaw to avenge her father's death, and the daughter's uncle disguised himself as a drunken preacher to save her.

A lot of parallels to TBL in general and to this particular episode. I forget the episode, but I thought about Red acting as a preacher with the IRS agent.

And welcome Dizzy! 


"I'm happy you're happy. Eat your pie."
 

4/27/2018 3:47 pm  #100


Re: Episode 5.19 - Ian Garvey: Conclusion - Discussion Page

Hi Colleen!
Thanks for the run down on Cat Ballou. I had seen it years ago, but couldn't remember much about it.

The other movie Red mentions, Forty Pounds of Trouble, might have a Blacklist connection too. It's one of many remakes of Little Miss Marker, a Damon Runyon story. In this version, a gambler leaves his 5 year old daughter as collateral with a casino manager while he goes to get cash to pay off his debts. The casino manager, gamblers, and a lounge singer all bond with the child, whose father is killed in a car crash and never comes back for her. The casino manager becomes her surrogate father. 

Guys and Dolls, which Red said he had a part in his high school production, was also based on a Damon Runyon story.

Stubby Kaye was a character actor and only had small parts in all three movies.

 

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