Chompstick!!!!! So VERY nice to see a post from you! I sure hope things are better. And will continue to improve.

I think maybe we should start an Off Topic section. That's a great idea! Yes, we had a lovely thanksgiving. We made my parents' house a Political-Free Zone and it was quite calm and only once got anywhere near a confrontation between my brother and brother-in-law. Nobody stormed out of the house, at least.

Love your avatar!

edited to add: I think Tabasko has to create an Off Topic Forum. I don't think it is in my powers to do that.

Last edited by Honey West (11/29/2016 3:28 pm)

Honey West wrote:

So back to Takoma Park and Bethesda. I am thinking it is quite possible that Red and his family lived in the TP house and that maybe at the same time Red could have set Katarina up in the Bethesda flat after she followed him after he took Liz. Unless that was set up at a different time as a place for her to live. But I am really leaning to it being a place where she lived for a time. Or maybe still lives. LOL!

Interesting thoughts on a possible connection between Takoma Park and the flat.  I think I will re-watch the episode where Liz discovers the flat.  It did have those St. George and St. Nicholas icons in it too.  I need to get back to my St. Nicholas theories, been absorbed with the season finale.  Will give some more thought to how the last few episodes of Season 4 relate back to Red/St. Nick references.  I recall there were some definite Christmas references in one of the Season 4 episodes that might be interesting to re-watch too given how the Kirk/Red saga ended (or ended for now, LOL)

Sorry got a bit off track from Takoma Park.  I want to go back and re-visit the music and lyrics and meaning of that music, which I vaguely recall was about separation/loss of parent and child.  Also I'm now remembering the interview that the composer (Gorecki) gave where a girl wrote to him about how his music helped her heal after she was severely burned.  Her house caught on fire and she and her father leapt out of the window.  She never saw her mother and father again, and assumed they were killed in the fire (I believe she was still in the hospital recovering when she wrote the letter to the composer). I'fe always wondered whether the show's producers knew about that true story.  I'll try to find the link again - I had it saved at one point - and if I do I will post it.

 

Last edited by lara1 (11/30/2016 1:01 pm)

Honey West wrote:

edited to add: I think Tabasko has to create an Off Topic Forum. I don't think it is in my powers to do that.

 
I'll talk to Tabaroo. We text constantly.

Nice site, more like our old BSG site. Those are more full-featured sites and ours is a free, basic forum site. Only so much we can do here without incurring costs such as having to have ads and such to pay for the site. (cheerful)

But back to the subject, I am now up to Anslo Garrick, both parts.  Nice to see the first appearance of Mr. Kaplan again. And of course Alan Fitch. Red's answer of "No". I counted, he waited a full seven seconds before answering. That's an eternity in TV time. Totally expressionless during that time, too. Not a twitch, nothing, and that's unusual for Red. Red's torture by Garrick is similar to Kirk's, except he gets hit more by Garrick. But in both cases Red is able to withstand the inflicted pain somehow. Liz finding herself and fully making the transition from rookie profiler to resourceful field agent killer. Aram.  And of course we got those great Red/Ressler scenes. I think they need to get Joe Carnahan to direct more episodes if possible.

It's fun to watch the extras and see what they never did, but talked about. But most importantly, all of the old stuff is totally aligned with recent stuff. Not easy to do with a story that has so many balls in the air all the time.

Big Badd Bazzer wrote:

Honey West wrote:

Nice site, more like our old BSG site. Those are more full-featured sites and ours is a free, basic forum site. Only so much we can do here without incurring costs such as having to have ads and such to pay for the site. (cheerful)

I quite agree. Keep costs low. Maintain high content and participation.

btw. Mamahub is the architect and site-driver of the Person of Interest fan site. She was on the floor, shooting photos when POI filmed in NYC.

I seem to be a TV watching dinosaur. Most of my fellow POI comrades have no use for Blacklist - and to be honest I haven't found many POI super-fans here either!

I just never got into PoI, although I loved Michael Emerson on LOST.

BBB - I am a POI fan, I loved that series.  Never knew what they were going to do next and they were brave I think with some of their choices.   The cast was outstanding and Amy Acker's pseudo-crazy chick persona was very intriguing and appealing at the same time.  Although I was not wild with how they handled some of the episodes of the last half-season, but that is a minor quibble.  I do think they left room for some continuation but its unlikely as I think some of the main cast have gone on to other things.

Unfortunately I only have time for one TV obsession at a time, so this is the only forum that I post to.  But I will definitely check out  the POI site, if only to see what its about.....

Last edited by lara1 (11/30/2016 8:01 pm)

Big Badd Bazzer wrote:

I quite agree. Keep costs low. Maintain high content and participation.

btw. Mamahub is the architect and site-driver of the Person of Interest fan site. She was on the floor, shooting photos when POI filmed in NYC.
...snip... I strongly recommend a re-watch - a linear one to be sure. Start with S.1 and go thru it episode by episode. Keep in mind Root and Shaw don't become regulars til late in Season 2, early S.3

We are looking at creating an Off-Topic Forum on here so that we can keep all the other threads on-topic for TBL. For example, this thread is supposed to be for re-watching the series post-4.08.

But meanwhile, BBB, if you want to start a Person of Interest Discussion Forum, it is quite easy to set one up on Boardhost. And it's free.  Just click on the link that is always on the lower right-hand corner of each page. The link says "Create a Free Forum". They walk you through it and it's pretty easy.

Okay, enough mod stuff. We now return to our regularly scheduled program: The Blacklist. 

Honey West and Tuxie400 - I think Red and the blacklisters were much more menacing in Season 1, and probably the first half of Season 2.  If not menacing then intriguing, in Season 2, where we tried to figure out Red's game plan in trying to first, free his wife, and then, take down Berlin completely.

I still love the show - in fact its the only network TV show that I watch live "real time" and not OnDemand or through a streaming service.  But I hope that in the next part of Season 4, they return to more menacing/interesting blacklisters.  We had a little bit of that in the first part of Season 4, but since we knew Kirk, who he was and (largely) his endgame, there wasn't the razor-sharp edge to Red's plan with the blacklisters.  Still we had some good surprises and building to some good things to follow I think.  Plus, I am still pondering what it was that Red said to Kirk.  And we don't know for sure whether Kirk is still on this earth.  !  LOL

I still remain puzzled by the father thing.  As Tuxie400 states, the writers/producers kept insisting that Red was not Liz's father, and the clues were in my opinion, ambiguous, though for the most part I think, paternal in nature.  Maybe to throw us off the track?  I still hold out hope that Liz is Red's daughter but in not a strictly conventional sense, that there is somehow some connection between Liz and Red's daughter whom I think he lost.  time will tell!  

Honey West wrote:

Totally agree Tuxie400 and lara1. But I think what it boils down to is that Red never felt that he was a father to her. He never filled that role in her life. In fact he insists to Sam that he, Sam, will always be her father. But we know, pretty sure anyway, that Sam was not her actual father. So either Red lives in his own fantasy world populated by the people living out the roles that he has assigned to them, or he is being contradictory for some other reason. But I do think that by stepping out of the father role to protect her, that he feels he has no claim to be called her father. That doesn't mean that he can't accept her as his daughter, though. And I would be willing to bet that at the root of the whole situation is Red's issues with loyalty and betrayal.

Hi Honey West - yes, this all makes sense and I agree, if what Red said is taken at face value.  He does not consider himself able to be called Liz's father for reasons which you mention.

I've heard that another chunk of the puzzle is going to land during the remainder of the season so I can't wait to see what else we will get to stitch together out of our Refugee quilt patches!