The Blacklist Refugees » Season 5 Fall/Winter Hiatus Discussions

Tatiana · 3/21/2018 1:41 pm

A long time ago we speculated that the lower the number, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. the closer that blacklister is to either Liz or Red in terms of importance, effect on Red/Liz's life, or impact on the story arc.

We've also speculated that some of those who are still alive or who were spared might be used by Red in the end for whatever his big thing is. As I look down the list right now, I see a number of Blacklisters who are alive! and potentially available for Red/Liz down the line. This is another speculation we had when we first started putting this list together and that is why we were sure to note dead/living

Some of these could be of benefit:
Susan Hargrave - that worked out conveniently, didn't it, a long lost relative who can babysit!
Dr. Krilov - just to jog your memories
Smokey Putnam - helped Red get back in business
Troll Farmer and Artax Network - can be extremely helpful for an FBI agent gone rogue or her brilliant criminal father
Mr. Raleigh Sinclair should meet up with the Troll farmer - they could make perfect crimes
Thrushes and Artax
Karakurt already helped Liz, after Tom 'talked' him into it
and a cast of characters, the Judge, the apothecary, Marvin Gerard...

Tuxie400 · 3/21/2018 7:56 pm

Brittany - I can't think of another Blacklister who had an episode under an alias or a previous name. They could have done that with Alexander Kirk/Constantin Rostov, but they chose not to do it. Instead we got a two-parter named after Dr. Adrian Shaw. I'm wondering if Garvey's end won't be titled Dr. Sharon Fulton Part I and II. I do think one of the coming episodes will be titled The Nash Syndicate. It will fall on the way to his demise, I think.

Eastcoast · 3/21/2018 10:17 pm

It is going to be interesting whatever they do because now Garvey is basically running out of time and he knows it.
They know he killed Singleton and are going to watch everything he does. That really was a bad move on his part. They have the witnesses statement and Cooper said he had turned him in to internal affairs. I am wondering what they are going to do with him as far as leaving him in office or putting him on leave?

Tatiana · 3/21/2018 10:39 pm

Unless Garvey is part of a bigger bad who will protect him, or protect what he knows. But yes, it sounds like he's going to be offed in one way or another. After the Anna Gracia-Duerte episode will be what sounds to be a two parter in which they pursue Garvey. I suspect Liz will go after him and hunt him down. That would bring us through 5.19 with three more remaining and since we know there's supposed to some kind of epic cliff hanger maybe that will be when Garvey reveals that he's Katarina.

lara1 · 3/21/2018 10:45 pm

Tatiana - LOL

For some reason, the Garvey as real Reddington popped into my head this evening. Although I think its highly unlikely, it would make for a super interesting twist and tense standoff between he and Liz.

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Tatiana · 3/21/2018 10:51 pm

Ha! Blacklist Exposed calls Garvey "Evil Glen"
But he certainly has something to him that, well, harkens back to a older age.

Eastcoast · 3/21/2018 10:52 pm

lara1, I was thinking that too. I would probably just bust out laughing!

Tatiana, lol If that is so, then she needs a better Dr. for her next face lift! lol

Eastcoast · 3/21/2018 10:52 pm

Yes he does. He does remind me of the 60's cartoons when I was a kid. lol

3/22/2018 7:38 am

I keep waiting for an Evil Glen vs regular Glen standoff. It probably won't happen, but can you imagine???

Tatiana · 3/22/2018 8:35 am

Brittany wrote:
I keep waiting for an Evil Glen vs regular Glen standoff. It probably won't happen, but can you imagine???

Ha! Love It! See, if I were as talented as chompstick from the old board we could set up a whole gif set depicting the two of them in the ring!

Eastcoast · 3/22/2018 9:44 am

Oh yes I can imagine!! lol

Tatiana, that would be hilarious!!

3/22/2018 6:30 pm

Spaderisamazing on Tumblr brought up a topic today that I have also considered when thinking about the Hobson's choice reference in Cape May: what if the Hobson's choice wasn't about whatever Red did to KR, but about taking Masha from Katarina or possibly another decision he made on the night of the fire?

The OP cited the short timeframe between the night of the fire and KR's disappearance coupled with the fact that Red (presumably injured/burned) would be recovering. So that possibly there was some decision made that day or right before the fire, not afterwards.

I don't have any particular thoughts about it being made the night of the fire, but the reason I have considered that the Hobson's choice was possibly related to kidnapping Masha was because of what he tells KR after he talks about the Hobson's choice. He says he was "arrogant" and that he believed if he 'nourished and protected and taught the child' that she would be safe and happy. That made me think of him wanting to raise her himself once he took her from KR, believing that he was the best bet for her since KR had a target on her back. It could have been that it was such a hard choice because he knew he would seemingly give up everything (career, other child and wife, etc) to raise Masha and keep her safe and that there was nothing he could do to help KR so he was taking Masha and leaving her to fend for herself, depriving her of her time with her child.

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Tatiana · 3/22/2018 8:06 pm

Brittany - I've been starting to go down that road as well... I thought Red said that about being 'arrogant' to Dom. Regardless, there's something about the timing of it all that has been making me rethink all theories. I"ve been doing a lot of reading online of everyone's tumblrs and reddit discussions. But clearly, Red and Liz and Carla/Naomi and Dom and many others are living out their lives based on a critical point, a point of change from which no one could turn back. That night, or that decision as you point out, was the fulcrum, what's the definition, the point on which a lever rests or is supported and on which it pivots, a thing that plays a central or essential role in an activity, event, or situation.

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Eastcoast · 3/22/2018 10:02 pm

I need some time to go read some other stuff. It is something that crossed my mind a while back but I brushed it off. But now that we have a pattern that every-ones life changed and they scattered in 1990 I am going to have to rethink that one.

Tuxie400 · 3/24/2018 3:09 pm

I think the events of late 1989 hold the impetus for the cause and reaction chain of events that happened to Blacklist characters in 1990. I think the fall of the Berlin Wall on Nov. 9, 1989, as shown multiple times in the Travel Agency, played a role. The Cold War began to thaw that day. I wonder if Masha was kidnapped before or after that.

Tuxie400 · 3/24/2018 3:13 pm

Here's a question for you: what genre do you think the Blacklist is? Tessa categorizes it as a spy drama and most of her predictions based on that. For me, it hasn't been just a spy story. I would categorize it as a crime thriller, and sometimes a psychological thriller.

3/24/2018 4:47 pm

I too would consider it crime drama or thriller, depending on the episode. For me, the spy genre involves the main characters and ongoing, main storyline and arcs being directly linked to intelligence gathering entities, like CIA, etc. We see that in the Blacklist, but the day-to-day stuff is not directly spy linked, whereas the deeper mythology of Red and Liz's background does have spy components to it.

lara1 · 3/24/2018 5:01 pm

I think TBL has created its own genre! LOL. Its mainly crime procedural, ie crime drama in the day to day of the episodes. But so much more. So while I would not classify it as a spy drama, its not really a crime thriller either. Its more than the sum of its parts. Though I suppose if one had to choose one term, for me, I'd choose crime thriller. but that's just me

3/24/2018 6:01 pm

This has probably come up at some point in the series discussions, but what if what Red “did” to Katarina was wipe her memories similar to what he did to Liz to make her forget she had a child? Or modified them to make her believe her family was dead/she was someone else/etc?

In some ways I think something like that would be even worse in Liz’s mind than killing her or holding her hostage.

Tuxie400 · 3/24/2018 7:00 pm

Brittany - I think having Katarina's memory wiped would fit with the story Blacklist has told.