I am thinking he dies too.  They do not like anyone to be happy for too long it seams... 

I wonder if she kills him by accident or in a Hobson's
choice.

Red told Garvey:
"The whole truth is that we are all clinging to a lovely blue ball floating in a sea of blackness. Everything else, including and most especially the truth you’re looking for, is a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

While several people have pointed out part of this quote is from Macbeth, it got me thinking about the other Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner. Recently we discussed how what we know about Katarina comes mostly from other people's memories. This reminds me of how a woman, Caddy Compson, and the paternity of her daughter, is at the center of The Sound and Fury, but her story is told by four narrators, all of whom see her quite differently.

Benjy, her younger mentally-challenged brother's memories are jumbled, not in chronological order, and told in a stream of conscious manner, much like Liz's fire memories probably are. Benjy, like Masha, had his name changed at a young age - 5.  The other narrators are her brother Quentin, a sensitive and highly-educated person who always tried to protect his sister, her brother Jason, a redneck businessman, and Dilsey,  the family servant and nanny to the children. What we know of Katarina is told by Liz, Red, Kirk and Kaplan. I'm seeing a correlation.

Interesting enough, readers never find out who the father of Caddy's daughter is. She told her brothers "it didn't matter."  
 

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Eastcoast wrote:

Tuxie, I was wondering if he there at fire night and thought something happened a certain way when he left and then found out it didn't. Or did he get his information secondhand and get something to stir up a bunch of drama?

If he did get the information secondhand who gave him that information?
We know other people know story because Braxton said he had heard the stories.

I'm not sure who the he is in your first sentence. I assume you're talking about Garvey there. I don't know if Garvey was there on fire night or not. They seem to be implying it with that ring. But you're right about  Braxton saying he had heard stories, so others might know aobut it too.
 

Last edited by Tuxie400 (3/23/2018 9:29 am)

I don't know why, but I had been thinking about the Sandman and the house in the woods.  We didn't know a lot about him except that he got the girl to leave her house in the middle of the night.  I wondered if they called him the Sandman because it was at night?  Liz said she wondered how he got her to go with him and then I was wondering how in the world he did that too?  Maybe he told her she was dreaming and he was the Sandman?  
​It was interesting to me how focused Hollis was on making sure the Sandman died even if it meant he knew they would shoot him. 

​The other thing I noticed on my re-watch was how disgusted Liz was that they brought her there to That house. 

Your right, it does.  

I never thought it was the blood house but I did think that might have been where Red and KR met. 

Eastcoast wrote:

I don't know why, but I had been thinking about the Sandman and the house in the woods.  We didn't know a lot about him except that he got the girl to leave her house in the middle of the night.  I wondered if they called him the Sandman because it was at night?  Liz said she wondered how he got her to go with him and then I was wondering how in the world he did that too?  Maybe he told her she was dreaming and he was the Sandman?  
​It was interesting to me how focused Hollis was on making sure the Sandman died even if it meant he knew they would shoot him. 

​The other thing I noticed on my re-watch was how disgusted Liz was that they brought her there to That house. 

 
I thought maybe he was the Sandman because he put them to sleep. Permanently. But maybe he drugged them?

Maybe with Hollis it was personal and he had a connection to a Sandman victim or their family.

And I agree with Eastcoast re the cabin Red took Naomi to. That it was a place where he and KR got together. Or maybe not KR. We don’t know if Red was a serial adulterer or not either.

Eastcoast wrote:

He could have drugged them, but I didn't get that impression this case because Liz seemed very adamant that he had talked her into putting her shoes on and leaving with him.

I have wondered about him having other affairs.....

Oh yeah, I forgot about the shoes.

Maybe that was why Carla Reddington was a "miserable housewife".

Eastcoast wrote:

Well, if you catch them in one who is to say there are not others?  I could see why she would wonder. 
​Hi dear, uh, by the way.... this is a daughter I have by someone else I have been seeing the last 5 years. 
Isn't she cute?  

LOL!