I have always found it interesting that people took Kirk’s comment about hurting his own daughter to mean Red had done something to his own. I had thought it meant one of three things: 1) that Kirk believed Red was mistakenly believing he was Liz’s father and that he had hurt her with his actions, 2) that Kirk was implying Red was the type of person who would hurt his own daughter, not that he actually had or 3) that Kirk was taking a jab at Red for hurting (by abandoning) his daughter when he chose a life of crime, which Kirk would have known since the whole world appeared to know he walked away from his family.
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Brittany wrote:
I have always found it interesting that people took Kirk’s comment about hurting his own daughter to mean Red had done something to his own. I had thought it meant one of three things: 1) that Kirk believed Red was mistakenly believing he was Liz’s father and that he had hurt her with his actions, 2) that Kirk was implying Red was the type of person who would hurt his own daughter, not that he actually had or 3) that Kirk was taking a jab at Red for hurting (by abandoning) his daughter when he chose a life of crime, which Kirk would have known since the whole world appeared to know he walked away from his family.
That's enlightening, Brittany. Thank you.
I was just thinking about all the ways Tom could have handled the suitcase differently that didn’t result in his death. Even if he had done everything the same leading to the point they had to go to that empty house to get first aid and another car. He had time to change the bones to the duffle bag and the guns to the suitcase. He could have stolen the results, since Red likely didn’t know they were in with the bones. He could have even just read the results and put them back. Liz would have believed him without the bones. But then this season would have been very different and we wouldn’t have spent as much time analyzing a skeleton and every word ever uttered as we have. Lol. They sure do know how to keep us engaged.
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I think the words were, "Unlike you, I would never harm my own daughter". At that point, Kirk thought Liz was indeed his daughter. So what was he referring to? Its as though he was baiting Red in some way and I don't think Kirk meant Liz. Im not sure they would toss out a statement like that if it didn't mean something. I guess we'll see.
The theory that Jennifer is the real daughter is intriguing. AS most of you know, I've almost always thought that there were 2 girls and that Liz was in some way a substitute or alternate for one. How I don't know. But there is so much double, twin, duality etc imagery in the series, its become more pronounced this season also. So maybe something associate with that will be a reveal after all. I guess we'll see....
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Ya know, when I heard him say those words, that he wouldn't harm his own daughter, I was thinking what do you think you have already done?
Which storyline do we think will end first: Garvey dying, or Liz finding out the secret?
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I think it depends. I got the feeling that although she wants justice she wants to know why Tom dies over this and wants to know herself. She wants him dead, but wants to know.
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personally I think the reveal will be part of the cliffhanger.
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Lara, I'm waiting for them to say a name in a suitcase that may not make any sense to us. L o l
That might be part of our cliffhanger. Making us Spend all summer wondering how it fits.
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Eastcoast wrote:
Lara, I'm waiting for them to say a name in a suitcase that may not make any sense to us. L o l
That might be part of our cliffhanger. Making us Spend all summer wondering how it fits.
Please, no! If we've waited to year to find out who the suitcase bones are, and we still don't understand the significance of who it is, we will just go crazy.
I have also wondered if the person could be someone we don't know, but a name Tom would recognize. I don't think they would leave us with that question hanging over our heads all summer. I would think we would have some information about it even if not everything. But they could also just leave it like that to say "see, it isn't Raymond Reddington, Katarina Rostova, or Masha Rostova. So you've got that answered". It would drive people bananas.
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Yes it would. But we sure would have plenty to talk and about over the summer LOL
As a couple of other people have mentioned, I've found myself hitting the theory wall on the show for the moment without more clues to provide support for speculation and I've been avoiding all my blacklist stuff the last couple of days and probably won't look again until closer to Wednesday. I did, however, have one last thought that I wanted to post about the potential suitcase/bones mystery that hit me a few minutes ago. It is likely born out of insanity induced by the tedium of the bones mystery and it has no concrete evidence for me to back it up with. lol
Anyhow, we've seen the sisters theme come up quite a bit in season 5. It makes sense that it most likely was hinting at Jennifer being finally introduced, but what if it could also refer to Katarina having a sister? In my fake dead Katarina theory, Red has somehow managed to put DNA in the CODIS system that would appear to belong to KR if run against the bones, but unchecked against her child, Liz. But what if Katarina had an identical twin who died or was killed and that is who was buried in the suitcase? This would also fit in with the doppleganger stuff. She could have been intentionally used as a decoy to have as back up in case anyone came looking (perhaps she died from natural causes or was killed in an accident and her body exhumed, etc), or Red could have accidentally killed the wrong sister in the heat of the moment, only to discover the real one still alive (DRAMA!).
Like I said, probably insanity-induced and there's no evidence. Just a thought based on the themes of the season.
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Brittany - about a year or so ago I wondered if there may have been two KRs - one as a sort of decoy or something like what you said. Part explanation for both a blonde and a redhead (as in my idea, each twin had its own hair color preference). But on the other hand, I've not seen anything to substantiate it. The "other" KR could be alive and in plain sight. I don't think its likely, but on the other hand, I don't rule out anything either. I do think that there is a "double" somewhere in the story - be in Red, KR, Liz or someone else.
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Brittany, I saw a theory somewhere a while back but cant remember where that they thought Carla could be her sister.
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Eastcoast wrote:
Brittany, I saw a theory somewhere a while back but cant remember where that they thought Carla could be her sister.
EC maybe that’s why Red said he now sees her as more of an estranged sister these days?
But speaking of doubles, I think we used to sort of joke about Red needing to have had a double in order to be able to have done everything he says he’s done over the years. Especially in that relatively short window between the naval academy and disappearing.
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Eastcoast - The person on tumblr with the Carla as sister theory is kiss-my-freckle.
Honeywest - I think she got the idea from Red's comment.
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Must be where I saw it. It was a while back.
HW, doubles, triples, lol it really is a short window to do so much!
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Twins . . . my brain is hurting!
Yes, that would make sense and fit in with show parallels. I could see the show runners doing something like that to us: giving the bones a name that is meaningless to the audience. Argh!
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Iowawatcher, my brain has been hurting a while on this one. I'm sure everyone else feels the same. Lol
Whoever it is in there it seams like Garvey has an emotional connection of some sort?