Tuxie400 wrote:

Deadskie - The Blacksburg, VA address is pretty interesting. (My inlaws used to live there.) Most watchers of the show would believe the Tacoma Park House was where Raymond Reddington lived during that time period. It seems strange that Blacksburg would be his address. It's land locked. All the Naval installations are on the other side of the state.

that is very interesting.  The house location from the 1990 FBI report was nowhere near there if I recall - I think it was in Maryland.  I wrote down the address but don't have my notes with me.  Its from Luther Braxton I believe - there is a scene where the news is playing on the TV about Reddington being recaptured and they review the 1990 story of how he disappeared on his way to his family.  There is a map on the screen displayed as part of the news story.  At the time I wrote down the names of the roads.  Its a real place (they didn't give an exact address, just a picture of the road).  From memory, the region was sort of slightly northeast of DC.  Can't recall if it was north of bethesda or baltimore, which doesn't help, LOL!  I will need to look up that info when I get back.  

Tuxie400 - is that location in Virginia far from that part of Maryland?

lara1 - Blacksburg is very far southwest of Maryland. It's closer to the Kentucky and Tennessee borders.

lara1 wrote:

Been looking more into the case study houses following on from my post #222.

I'm going to kind of eliminate the Santa Monica ones (pacific palisades) only because when I looked into it further, it seems that there were 4 on contiguous plots on the same street.  I just didn't get a vibe from what Kirk said that there was a bunch of them, more like there happened to be one, on its own, near where she lived.  Just a feeling more than anything else.

So now I am back to it being the one in La Canada, given the other clues about the place, the jet propulsion lab, etc.  IT doesn't have a fence but there might have been one thirty years ago.  I'm not so sure we take that fence comment as something that needs to be.  Anyone else have any thoughts on the houses?

I still think there is a Santa Monica link given Red's comments to the FBi agent when he set her up there.

Honey West, is it a very long drive from La Canada to Santa Monica?  They are both part of the greater LA area?

Edited to add:  apologies that I can't get the word "Canada" to appear correctly.  I know there is supposed to be a tilde over the "n", but I can't figure out how to do that on my computer.....La Canada with a tilde over the "n".

La Cañada Flintridge is about 15 miles away as the crow flies from Santa Monica. Depending on traffic, you can probably drive from one to other in about 45 minutes. JPL is primarily occupied with space exploration and is associated with CalTech, which is nearby in Pasadena. I dunno, I am thinking that if say a Russian family who was sent here to spy would easily blend into the neighborhoods and they might find some good opportunities for things to spy on with all of the defense, aerospace and science in the region. Or maybe they were defectors who moved here who had specialties in one or more of these areas. And yes, lara1, the greater LA area is huge. Physical distances are not that great, but just getting from one place to another is not the easiest! I remember trying to drive from Anaheim (Disneyland) to LAX one time to catch a flight home and panicking because even though I had allowed plenty of time, there were traffic issues that almost made me miss my flight. 
So anyway, I guess the question might be whether Katarina was living there on her own or with her family. I suppose she could have been a foreign exchange student. Maybe that was her cover.

I just remembered something that Constantin said to Liz, in another light.

In 4.02, at the Summer Palace, when Liz is in her room and she says something like, "but there was a fire...." and Constantin says something like, what are the memories of a 4 year old, Reddington fed you with lies to make it appear he had a connection with you - etc

So, now that I think of it, Constantin immediately connected that comment of Liz's to Liz as a four year old.  So, either he was at the fire, or knew of it - or - if there was no fire - somehow he knew that Liz had the memory of the fire as a four year old.  Who could have told him that?  hmmm

I still think that Kirk had a spy on the inside, and has had, for quite a while, spying on Liz - before he hired Halcyon to extract her.  One theory out there is that Tom has been working for Kirk, or worked for him back when Liz was an "assignment"  maybe before he even knew Liz was his daughter (or rather, that she was Masha),   Not sure I buy into that, but it is interesting.   And when Tom back in Season 2 was trying to get info on Liz's Mom, he went to the men's gym and to the russian guy he cornered, he mentioned the name Constantin.

Anyway a bit off track, but my point is that I think that the Kirk/4 year old reference may have been a clue of some sort.  He was either at the fire, knew of it, or - if there was no fire - knew that Liz had a memory of being in a fire as a four year old....

I actually think that there was a fire and that maybe Kirk, planting a seed of doubt in Liz's mind about it, may be covering up something he does not want her to remember or know about that night.

Last edited by lara1 (11/20/2016 8:01 pm)

lara1 wrote:

I just remembered something that Constantin said to Liz, in another light.

In 4.02, at the Summer Palace, when Liz is in her room and she says something like, "but there was a fire...." and Constantin says something like, what are the memories of a 4 year old, Reddington fed you with lies to make it appear he had a connection with you - etc

So, now that I think of it, Constantin immediately connected that comment of Liz's to Liz as a four year old.  So, either he was at the fire, or knew of it - or - if there was no fire - somehow he knew that Liz had the memory of the fire as a four year old.  Who could have told him that?  hmmm

I still think that Kirk had a spy on the inside, and has had, for quite a while, spying on Liz - before he hired Halcyon to extract her.  One theory out there is that Tom has been working for Kirk, or worked for him back when Liz was an "assignment"  maybe before he even knew Liz was his daughter (or rather, that she was Masha),   Not sure I buy into that, but it is interesting.   And when Tom back in Season 2 was trying to get info on Liz's Mom, he went to the men's gym and to the russian guy he cornered, he mentioned the name Constantin.

Anyway a bit off track, but my point is that I think that the Kirk/4 year old reference may have been a clue of some sort.  He was either at the fire, knew of it, or - if there was no fire - knew that Liz had a memory of being in a fire as a four year old....

I actually think that there was a fire and that maybe Kirk, planting a seed of doubt in Liz's mind about it, may be covering up something he does not want her to remember or know about that night.

Gah!  You know, I haven't crossed Tom off the list, myself.  And it also kind of sort of doesn't help that the spin-off is called Redemption.  Redemption from what?  From past mistakes, or missteps consistently made?  I feel comfortable enough with Tom, to think he's fighting the good fight now--but that doesn't necessarily mean the actions he took while working for Berlin didn't do lasting damage that's going to bite him in the butt soon.  And Kirk could be a part of that, however inadvertently and/or accidentally.  And so good catch!  It's still too early to tell, but I think there could be a connection of some sort.

Also-also, I just really like the idea of Redemption having something to do with Tom--and maybe Kaplan--and a few of the Blacklisters who are still alive and kicking, showing up to redeem themselves in some sort of way.  It would be a great way to flip the tables, so to speak--sort of like when they had Scottie's team of little seedy misfits working to do some good, for a change.  :D

lara1 - I was just reading the script from Mato this afternoon, and Constantin didn't actually mention Liz being 4 years old in the lines about the fire.

Liz: But ...there was a fire. I... I shot my father. I remember.
Kirk: What's the memory of a small child? You didn't remember me or your mother or this room. Reddington lied to you, Masha.

Now I'm wondering how he knew she didn't remember her mother? Did she tell him that in the season premiere?

Constantin seemed to use a lot of the language Tom has used in the past about Liz, like Reddington is obsessed with you. If Tom was working for Kirk, and Red knew, that would explain why he didn't want Liz to marry Tom.

 

Tuxie400 # 251.  thanks for the clarification.  i no longer have that episode to watch via On Demand.  so unfair! lol

I do think there is a link between tom and kirk that red knows.  I've even thought kirk might be tom's "real" father.  maybe not.  but some connection, maybe tom working for Kirk and spilling secrets

 

BBB #234 - I heard that the Redemption promo was just re-edited footage from the Halcyon footage in Season 3, but you probably already knew that.  I agree the schedule is getting tight if they plan to run Redemption in early Jan.
My guess (but I have been wrong before LOL) is that there will be a couple of TBL episodes when the series comes back Jan 5 (in the US) and then Redemption will start, there will be some overlap, and then Redemption will continue to cover some of the early spring hiatus when TBL will be off again.

Maybe they will start filming in early Dec and we will start to get more info then.  Judging from what I see in behind the scenes photos and such thus far this season I have seen a roughly a 5 week gap between when they start filming an episode and when it airs.

I was not very excited at first about Redemption but now I am very interested to see how they transition Tom.  Will it be some kind of break with Liz or something more organic, like he goes to Halcyon to try to find out more about his past.  Liz and tom have not yet had time to pick up that thread of conversation started in Ep 7.

deadskei13 - for some reason I can't find your post on the Virginia address for Red, I am probably not looking carefully enough - haven't yet finished my coffee this morning!   LOL

Anyway I went back to the Keen Dossier and wow, good catch!  that address was hiding in "plain sight" on the fingerprint report for Red in the FBI file.  What I find curious is that the fingerprints are dated March 1989.  Very curious.  So why did they take Red's fingerprints in March 1989?  It was also signed by what looks like AF 19.  Alan Fitch?  maybe not, maybe I read the initials wrong.

So, did they take fingerprints for the purpose of creating a Reddington file?  Between that and the Virginia address, which is nowhere near the Maryland addresses he had/has, I am beginning to think again whether the whole Red thing was an undercover identity.  Either that or Red was set up with two completely different identities, or lives, perhaps.  One in one place, one in another.  Maybe his other identity had another name, who knows.

But that fingerprint page is very interesting.....

Patter wrote:

Over the weekend I saw on FB: The Blacklist Exposed people commenting that Redemption will air summer 2017. I didn't pay that much attention to see if there were any links posted, but did see it mentioned a few times. 

 
Thanks, Patter! I was going to start guessing that they might be saving it for next summer. Maybe they've decided to keep Tom in the main story for now, since they haven't really given him a good reason to leave and it's taken so long to resolve the Alexander Kirk story arc. And he might not really "leave". He could just be a rarely seen part of the main show while off on his special missions on Redemption. We all seem to really like Tom at his best when he's on some kind of mission, either on his own or working with the FBI. He's also good teamed up with Dembe.