Yes, I was the one who pointed out  Tansi is an anagram for saint, and Red said it in The Endling:. A sinner can also be a saint. LOL

If the Rederina theory is true, Kaplan was apologizing to the orginal Katarina she knew and loved, not the person Rederina has become as a violent, powerful man. Katarina would not have wanted the real Raymond's bones found because Masha shot her father. Both Katarina and Kaplan wanted to preserve Masha/Liz's innocence forever. Remember what Kaplan said to Red when she tried to talk him out of turning himself in to the FBI.

"Raymond, stop. The instant you walk through that door, the damage will be done. You'll destroy her innocence, everything we've been fighting to be preserved.

That's true. But now that Liz knows she shot and killed her father, if those are his bones in the suitcase, it's not something that would shock or disgust Liz, right?

Tatiana - But now that Liz thinks Red is her father, she no longer believes she shot and killed anyone on fire ngiht. Remember, Kirk told her that shooting her father and a fire was just part of the stories Red told her. And Liz now knows she underwent a second memory wipe shortly before she shot Connolly and recovered her fire memories.

I think Liz is pretty happy that Reddington turned out to be her dad, since that means she didn't kill her father. I believe she would be very upset now to find out she did actually shoot him, if that's what really did happen. There's a lot more to that fire we don't know. 

Another thought I have. Katarina told Masha in Kate's motel room, "He was a bad man." Was she referring to RR, or someone else at the fire?

 

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lara1 wrote:

Tatiana - yes that's an interesting find.  There was the girl's bedroom in the attic.  with the christmas decorations etc.   If the daughter was Katerina's (maybe back to the Liz is the second/swapped Liz theory?) that would also explain kaplan's apology.

Exactly.  And some of us thought those bones were on the smallish size which would indicate a woman or a child. Looking at them again I was struck with how small they looked.

There's two things so far that everyone had been after: 1) Liz's memories, remember Luther Braxton was chasing after them; 2) The Suitcase. 


 

Just read a discussion on reddit which posited that Carla Reddington was in the suitcase and Katarina was the current/new Carla/Naomi.

I saw somewhere that someone gave some approximate measurements of the bones based on the size of the suitcase in proportion to both Tom and Red's height.  But it was a while back and I cannot find it again. 

​As far as the chicken bone, it was the only resource I saw and I thought the same thing when I saw it on the plate!!  She did make a mistake.  She should have started beating the tar out of him after she did that to shut him up!  He screamed and alerted the whole house. 



 

Honey West wrote:

Tatiana wrote:

Just read a discussion on reddit which posited that Carla Reddington was in the suitcase and Katarina was the current/new Carla/Naomi.

Well, now that would be interesting. They wouldn't have to age Lotte Verbeek if they brought KR back as alive and in play and as an actress of the right age already. It might explain how Naomi was so handy with that chicken bone.

I also remember Red saying of Carla, "I never could figure out that woman's emotions"  Something about that reminded me of something Red said of Katarina... It's just fun to swirl this around, isn't it?

Tuxie400 - the all makes sense, except would Kaplan really betray KR in that way?  if it would expose KR to grave danger.  don't know.

and yes who then was Jennifer/

So there's two things I keep thinking about.
1. the comment Constantin Rostov/Alexander Kirk said to Red: I would never treat my daughter the way you have... which implies that Red has done something awful to his own daughter. 
2. the 'night' 'blood all over' his daughter, 'her little hand on my face/neck' which we know has to have been true because Diane Fowler knew 'what happened that night' 

Then you have Red and Carla in their first face to face, Carla hauling off with a good right fist (she's a fighter) and their conversation was wrought with emotion.
They both comment on how much they look differently, plastic surgery.

I suspect Jennifer could be the real daughter. 
This is an interesting theory.

And exactly as you say, when Kaplan digs up the suitcase she knows Katarina's identity will now be known. But she does it so that Liz will know the truth of what a monster Red really is.

Oh goodie, I get to go back and look at key scenes with this idea in mind! Something fun to do while they're on hiatus.