The Blacklist Refugees » Season 5 Fall/Winter Hiatus Discussions

Tuxie400 · 3/03/2018 10:49 am

Brittany - It's very interesting that shame is an emotion you've attributed to Red. Wasn't it supposed to be the mother who died of weakness and shame? I'm sorry. I just couldn't resist. But i do agree with you. I think shame about something is the real reason he can't tell Liz the truth.

3/03/2018 10:57 am

I have often attributed some of the things Red says about Katarina as him displacing his own emotions on to her. The shame may have been something they both struggled with. In Cape May, she wasn't really there and she was saying things that if just looked at on the surface could have been seen as her own stuff, but in reality they were things that were going through his own head and she served as an external source for his emotions to allow him distance from them and to tap into his need to help someone. Katarina's journal talks about Red wanting them to run away together with Masha and be a family, but Red tells Liz (prior to the journal being read) that it was Katarina who had wanted them to be family, even after everything. That Liz's father was likely the only man Katarina ever loved (that could be true, but I tend to think Katarina may have been Red's only true love). I felt like Red puts his own emotions onto Katarina when he was telling that story to Liz.

Last edited by Brittany (3/03/2018 10:58 am)

Tatiana · 3/03/2018 11:02 am

Yes, Karl Jung has come up in TBL before.

Jung is all about archetype. It's no wonder there are so many symbols!

Fire, water, light...all important. Wizard of earthsea is replete with them as you aptly point out.

Tatiana · 3/03/2018 9:52 pm

Watching Lord Baltimore ... odd to see Liz portrayed differently. Still a wig? But she's wearing spiked heels!

Eastcoast · 3/05/2018 12:30 am

Tatiana, I could be wrong, but I thought I read or heard in an interview that was her hair as of S-2. Her hair had been short and they had her wear the wig until it grew out because they said Liz was to have longer hair.

3/05/2018 6:59 am

Tatiana- I thought she might be wearing a wig until she “cut” her hair in that episode and that the shorter hair is Megan’s actual hair that had grown out.

3/06/2018 4:29 pm

I'm trying to analyze Red through the lens of Jung for a tumblr post. Oy vey. I haven't had to do this since the beginning of grad school and then I basically let myself forget a lot of the stuff that I didn't find interesting (or isn't relevant in modern society). I'm not a Jungian practitioner so it's not easy. He's too close to Freud for my taste. I'm thankful these guys were thinkers and got the ball rolling, but I'm also super thankful it kept on rolling way past them.

Tuxie400 · 3/06/2018 4:37 pm

Brittany - I'll be looking forward to your Jungian analysis of Red.

Eastcoast · 3/07/2018 2:15 am

Brittany wrote:
I'm trying to analyze Red through the lens of Jung for a tumblr post. Oy vey. I haven't had to do this since the beginning of grad school and then I basically let myself forget a lot of the stuff that I didn't find interesting (or isn't relevant in modern society). I'm not a Jungian practitioner so it's not easy. He's too close to Freud for my taste. I'm thankful these guys were thinkers and got the ball rolling, but I'm also super thankful it kept on rolling way past them.

I am not a Freud fan either....

3/07/2018 9:12 am

Random question that some of you may or may not know the answer to: who runs the Blacklist social media accounts? Is it NBC (who creates promos and whatnot), Sony, or someone on the Blacklist production team (like a social media director)? I’m just curious who has to sift through the responses to that stuff. Twitter fandom is especially awful.

Last edited by Brittany (3/07/2018 9:13 am)

Tatiana · 3/07/2018 10:52 am

Brittany - there are two twitter accounts that I know of which are put out by NBC: @NBCBlacklist the official twitter handle for the show and @BlacklistRoom which is the official twitter account of the NBC Blacklist writers. So it appears NBC does the official social media.

Eastcoast · 3/07/2018 11:28 am

Brittany, the wars of useless words on Twitter, Fb and elsewhere are useless to me.
I do not have a Twitter and I thought a few years back the first few times I looked they must have been teenagers on there. Then I realized these were adults arguing over a script they cannot change. So i would just Google nbc the blacklist and that is how I found the original group of people here on the first board they had. (So thankful)

The twitter account of the The Blacklist is the only one I bother with.

3/07/2018 11:34 am

I don’t engage on Twitter either. I’ve made the mistake of reading replies to tweets before and was horrified. I was just curious who had to do it after I saw a post of FB from TBL.

Tatiana · 3/07/2018 12:04 pm

It is far too controversial, emotional, political, and frankly, self-centered.
But I do enjoy the two above and I enjoyed one of the former writers, Daniel Knauf. I've gone weeks without checking twitter though.

lara1 · 3/07/2018 3:13 pm

well I'm on Twitter and Facebook but don't follow any blacklist accounts, LOL. I did peek a couple of times earlier on, there was just too much back and forth for me. I just don't have the time to follow the minutae of the arguments that can get quite mean at times. I do follow Aly on Twitter so I do read anything that she posts and anything she re-tweets. On Facebook I just dip into The Blacklist Exposed page from time to time. But I don't comment on any sites other than this one right here.

Last edited by lara1 (3/07/2018 3:13 pm)

3/08/2018 7:11 am

I’ve been wondering if Dom was KR’s superior and he sent her to seduce and betray Red, never expecting them to fall in love with each other. When KR was writing in her journal she talked about what her father would think of being in love with the man she was sent to seduce and betray. I’ve always assumed her father didn’t know what she was doing or only have vague suspicions but what if he had sent her to do it and she went off script?

Eastcoast · 3/08/2018 11:51 pm

That is a bit creepy to think a dad would send his daughter to do that......

3/09/2018 6:20 am

Totally agree, Eastcoast. But somehow I don’t think spies work the way we do. I doubt it is the case but it made me stop and think.

Eastcoast · 3/09/2018 10:35 am

Brittany they Don't! I had read and seen a documentary years back that things like that are really detached in their minds. It is a means to an end. That it is almost robotic.
That included assignments of spouses or children.

It amazed me to think that a husband could send his wife to another man just to get information for someone else.
A lot of stuff was not even about their own personal interest.

The children were interesting. I'm talking young children!
Going to play with other kids getting close enough to adults to hear what they are saying to report back. It could be a friends house or in a park.

I have been trying to think for months what the name of that was but it was years ago and I don't remember.

Eastcoast · 3/09/2018 10:38 am

I meant to say I have often wondered if Liz did this, but she was with Kate when KR was gone. She was also little younger than the kids I saw on there.