Brittany - agree, though I  think the possibility is a lot closer now, and the consequences probably far greater.  
And can you imagine if Liz starts rooting around in Dom's barn?

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At some point it only seams logical that we will see Liz in the barn.  If she does go in there she is going to see the picture she drew like the one that was at Kirks.  Red didn't take out everything from the trunk.  I'm sure there is more goodies for her to discover.  We can only imagine!

Ever since we learned that Red had intentionally kept Kate and Dom apart I’ve suspected that it was because one or both of them had information that would reveal important details if they could put their information together.   I have to wonder who Red trusted more between the two: Kate or Dom?

Eastcoast wrote:

This whole thing with Dom being Orleander could go a few ways.
Kate seams to have known more than she let on.
He may of been searching for his daughters remains in case they ever turned up not knowing Red might have had them. It does seam that he does not want to go against Red.
Or he could have been searching for 'whoever' not knowing Red is involved.

And who knows, maybe he holds a deeper grudge than He lets on and becomes a blacklister?

I find it most interesting that Dom even called Red to alert him that Liz had been to see him. That suggests to me that whatever conspiracy they were a part of, it is ongoing. And how ever much Dom may want to do it he still didn't come right out and say "Hey, I'm your Grandpa!" So does he still feel that HE is a danger to Liz and should stay out of her life? I don't want the season to end, but I am really looking forward to the finale of 5.

Tuxie400 wrote:

KathyN - We thought that Kate didn't know about Dom because of what Red tells Dom in Season 4's Kaplan Part 1:

Red: She knows everything about my operation. I kept her at my side for years. But the one thing she doesn’t know is you. I haven’t told you about Masha because I didn’t wanna risk coming here or making contact with you again until this fight was over.

Thank you for the quote! I went back and rewatched that part of the episode. It's clear that Red doesn't think Kate knows about Dom. But Kate knew about Oleander....If Red didn't want her to know Dom, would he have told her about Oleander in a different context? I don't know... Maybe she heard the name Oleander from  Katarina? Maybe when she disappeared she gave Kate the name as a last resort safety measure to use only if there was an extreme emergency to Masha. 

We still don't know if she knew Oleander was Dom - if she did, why didn't Albert say Dom's name instead of the name Oleander because it would be alot easier to find Dom? So for now, until they deal with it directly, I think I'll just assume Katarina never knew Oleander's was Dom/or/Katarina's father or where he was living  but thought he was connected to Masha, and possibly the bones. (I say possibly the bones because I'm 50/50 with the idea Albert gave the name to Tom as he was dying for revenge for being shot and not because he thought it was related to the suitcase itself, as he would've given him the name in connection with the suitcase when he gave Tom directions to find it). Of course, it would've been so easy for Albert's last words to really matter had he just said 'he's a fake' or 'he's really Katarina' instead of 'oleander'.  But of course, that would give the secret away too fast and we have a few seasons to go .

If Red is fake/red and the bones are real/red, than Kate would know fake/red was a fake and may have known his handler's name was Oleander, but never knowing that he was also Katarina's father. Remember Kate hated Red after the fire and didn't even want to meet with him when Sam tried to set it up, so something Red told her changed her mind. That could be what he told her and he may have given her the name Oleander for her to call to verify the story. (?)

One last thing I got out of rewatching that scene - the last lines between Red and Dom are

Red: I have to go. I'm sorry.
Dom: For what?
Red: All of it. I wish I'd been the person you wanted me to be.

That sounds like a son to a father, a daughter to a father (in the case of redderina) or some other very close teacher/boss to student/employee relationship - for instance Cooper to Liz.  Fake/Red and Dom could've had a relationship very similar to the one between Liz and Cooper. Either way, it shows they have a long history, not just that Katarina and Red had a short affair before she disappeared, which quite frankly, why would Katarina's father even know one of her extramarital lovers unless he was somehow important to him? Especially an American spy. If Dom is an undercover powerful soviet spy, Reddington the navy intelligence guy would be the last person he'd want to meet or have a relationship with. And then Red was underground for so many years. No reason for them to stay in touch. But they did. So this line once again confirms that there is an underlying familial/mentoring relationship between the two.




 

KathyN - 
"That sounds like a son to a father, a daughter to a father (in the case of redderina) or some other very close teacher/boss to student/employee relationship - for instance Cooper to Liz.  Fake/Red and Dom could've had a relationship very similar to the one between Liz and Cooper. Either way, it shows they have a long history, not just that Katarina and Red had a short affair before she disappeared, which quite frankly, why would Katarina's father even know one of her extramarital lovers unless he was somehow important to him? Especially an American spy. If Dom is an undercover powerful soviet spy, Reddington the navy intelligence guy would be the last person he'd want to meet or have a relationship with. And then Red was underground for so many years. No reason for them to stay in touch. But they did. So this line once again confirms that there is an underlying familial/mentoring relationship between the two. "

Exactly my thoughts.  To me, that sounded parental.  Or some other very tight emotional bond.  Not just some spy KR had an affair with - even (lets just say) if he is Masha's father.  That still would not explain the closeness between the two and the intensely personal tone Dom has whenever he speaks to Red.  IMO, its too intimate to just be a work or spy relationship.
 

I think that Dom did not divulge who he really was, and called Red to warn him because he's looking out for Red in some way.  Red had previously told Dom, if I (Red) don't come back, find Masha and tell her who you are.  Because at that point, if Red had died, the truth could no longer hurt Red.  Maybe

Lara1, I agree with your 2 post above, the only thing I was thinking when I read it was the conversation that Kate and Katerina we're having after she was kidnapped. When she was saying that Raymond thought she was his And she just said she never found out but she didn't mention anyone else in the picture and at that point I think she might have. 

Then that made me think that he must have had a reason for it.  He said that Kirk was living at that house on and off.  I think that according to when she was born and maybe Kirk being away from the house that's how he figured he was her father.