The Blacklist Refugees » Episode 5.13 - The Invisible Hand

2/20/2018 8:19 am

I figure she looked more like KR when she had blonde hair than she does with dark hair since KR was a redhead. Plus when she had blonde hair she kept it wavy and if she is supposed to have been bubble girl it may be that she reminded him of when she was little. Who knows. I doubt it gets explained. I don’t think KR being cast as a redhead is anything particular likely just who fit the part the best. You can always explain hair color away as being dyed, etc

2/20/2018 8:55 am

I keep wondering if Dom’s comment to Liz about people being willing to do anything to keep what happened to KR a secret will make Liz suspicious that’s Red’s secret has to do with her? It may depend on how much of Dom’s story she bought and if it ever crossed her mind that his secret could be relevant to KR.

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lara1 · 2/20/2018 10:40 am

Eastcoast wrote:
So, I thought I would do a little digging around about Sugar Beets since Dom said that is what he was into.
I decided to look up what states produce them. Sugar beets are grown in 26 states, a few of the farms had been around Lake Charlevoix Michigan and Grande Island Nebraska which is not far from Kearney.

Do not let me forget to mention that he was teaching Analytics which I found to be interesting! Nora and Samar came to mind. "

Eastooast - thanks for that, that is really interesting about the sugar beets.....does feed in the "Dom as father" theory too.

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lara1 · 2/20/2018 10:54 am

Brittany - I think the red hair was very deliberate in Cape May, when many of us thought that "KR" who was originally credited as "mysterious woman" was Red's subconscious, or conscience speaking during his "hallucination". Then she kind of morphed into KR. The "redhead" could even be an inside joke.

But you make a good point about hair color and dye. We've never seen KR as a blonde except in the swing photo (which isn't very clear) and references by Liz when she had her hair blonde. It could be that the "dyed blond" was a clue that the hair in the swing photo was dyed. Interestingly, Liz's hair has looked lighter/blonder and redder, alternatingly,, through the series, depending in part on how they light the scene.

At the moment, they seem to be focused on red based lighting to make her hair appear more red. Right now, I think its because Liz is becoming more "katerina- like" in each episode. Her facial expressions, how she moves, etc. Anyway that's what it appears to me. And may be building to a "real" KR reveal. I guess time will tell.

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2/20/2018 3:14 pm

I've been playing the Blacklist game and the Invisible Hand level was pretty different than the show. The Invisible Hand in the game had set up an entire scenario so that they could look at the skills of the Task Force in order to help another group called The Wraith to get to Reddington. I wonder if that will also come into the show or not. It might be interesting considering wraith refers to ghosts or ghostlike apparitions and so forth.

Tatiana · 2/20/2018 3:21 pm

Well that is quite interesting. Brittany, where did you get access to that game? I'd like to take a stab at it (using FBI/criminal wording ha!)

2/20/2018 3:25 pm

It's an app. I imagine it's on both iOS and Android. It's called Blacklist Conspiracy.

Honey West · 2/20/2018 4:14 pm

Brittany wrote:
I keep wondering if Dom’s comment to Liz about people being willing to do anything to keep what happened to KR a secret will make Liz suspicious that’s Red’s secret has to do with her? It may depend on how much of Dom’s story she bought and if it ever crossed her mind that his secret could be relevant to KR.

Remembering how Liz went after Velov for info, I’d bet money that she won’t let go of Dom until she learns more about his relationship to KR.

Tatiana · 2/20/2018 4:53 pm

Good point, Honey West. If there's one thing we've learned about Liz this season is that she's no longer a wimpy profiler, but an experienced spy. When she was up in Alaska she completely played it off like she didn't know who the men were, but she sized them up immediately. Don't think for a minute that when Dom said something to the effect of "people being willing to do anything to keep what happened to KR a secret " her red flags didn't go up. She listened and she will absolutely pursue him. And she will probably sneak around his property, too. She runs to the burning building while everyone else is running away from it.

2/20/2018 4:55 pm

That’s what I think as well, Honey West. She has to know something is up if a name Tom was researching was a Soviet spy and that the main suspect just happened to know her mother.

Eastcoast · 2/21/2018 1:14 am

HW, I was thinking the same thing. And Brittany I was thinking that too. Liz is not going to let that go at all.
None of that stuff he told her made any sense and I am sure she picked up on it. She knows she didn't work at that place. Dom actually messed up saying too much because he didn't know what she already knew. When he said he didn't want to talk about Red that was as good as an invitation to come back and see him again! lol

lara1 · 2/21/2018 11:36 am

Yes, what are the chances of Tom investigating Oleander and Oleander just happens to be a non spy Russian civilian spy agency employee who happened to know Katarina and Red and refused to talk about Red. LOL

Honey West · 2/21/2018 2:59 pm

lara1 wrote:
Yes, what are the chances of Tom investigating Oleander and Oleander just happens to be a non spy Russian civilian spy agency employee who happened to know Katarina and Red and refused to talk about Red. LOL

Perfect summation, lara1!

KathyN · 2/23/2018 5:56 pm

I disagree a little with Lara's summary because as far as Liz knows, Oleander is still out there. Dom denied he was Oleander. He tried to get Liz to believe he was a different Russian than the hunted Oleander, but who also by the way, happened to know Katarina, because I guess even though she was an undercover spy that no one knew, didn't even have pictures of, because she was so elusive and good at her job, he knew .... like that won't arouse suspicion. He doesn't know how indefatigable and tenacious Liz can get when she's looking for something. So Liz will keep Dom on the back burner, even not knowing yet he's Oleander.

I'm hoping that somewhere down the road Liz asks Aram to help her on the side to find Oleander and her telling him she had one lead that led her to Dom and she somehow inserts into the conversation the address, or hands him her notes and file with it in it, which of course will trigger for him that that's where he found Red when everyone thought she was dead. I don't think it will happen for a few episodes though but it would be a great trigger to get Liz to go back to Dom and really question him/and or Red about what their connection. I don't think Red will be forthcoming about Dom in the weeks before she finds out he was at that house, but after she tells him she knows he was there maybe then Red will admit to her that Dom is her grandfather (but not Oleander, I think they will deny that for the rest of the season).

KathyN · 2/23/2018 6:02 pm

Can someone remind me how we know Kate didn't know Dom? I can't remember that conversation. She obviously knew Oleander, but if she didn't know Oleander was Katarina's father, but did know the name, that would be a huge hint to something, although I haven't thought out what that can be because I can't find the dialogue that shows Kate didn't know him and would need to see that in context.

Also, why didn't Albert give Tom the name Oleander when he gave him the instructions to find the suitcase? Was that reveal an independent decision made by Albert in the moment? And how did Albert even know the name? Red knew he was an associate of Kate's, and he must have been close enough to her to have had her leave the suitcase with him, but why didn't he tell Tom about Oleander until he knew he was dying? If they were part of Kate's instructions, Tom would have known the name when Albert said it, so they weren't part of the instructions. Was giving Tom that name a decision Albert made on his own to get back at Red for shooting him? Is it possible that Albert didn't think Oleander had anything to do with the suitcase, but did have something to do with Red, and that's why he gave Tom name the name? Or was the name Oleander so dangerous Kate was afraid for Tom to have it? Or was Kate trying to protect Oleander/leave him out of it?

Relevant dialogue:

Tom: Are you Dennison? Who did this to you? What happened? You okay? Who did this to you?
(Red enters apt and Tom hides in closet)
Red: Albert? Albert, look at me. Do you know who I am? You're a tough son of a bitch. Your loyalty to Kate is admirable. But you will die, Albert here and now, if you don't tell me where that suitcase is.
Who has it? I won't ask you again.
(after Albert is shot and Red leaves, Tom comes out of closet)
Tom: Hey, hey. Who Why did I pick up the suitcase?
Albert: Ole
Tom: What?!
Albert:Oleander.
Tom: Who's Oleander?
Albert: Find him.
Tom: Who is he? What is What is Oleander?

lara1 · 2/23/2018 7:21 pm

Hi KathyN! I admit I was being a bit facetious and even tongue in cheek with my post re Oleander.....yes, Liz does not know that Dom is in fact Oleander. but at the same time, she might have her suspicions...its all rather convenient and coincidental, isn't it?

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Tuxie400 · 2/23/2018 7:24 pm

KathyN - We thought that Kate didn't know about Dom because of what Red tells Dom in Season 4's Kaplan Part 1:

Red: She had help from one of my people, a woman close to me who betrayed my trust. Dom, I know you’ve been conditioned to assume my selfishness. I’m sure that’s largely my fault. But this is different. This woman, she’s made it her mission to eliminate me, to remove me from Masha’s life, whatever the cost. And the truth is, she’s proven to be remarkably adept at killing the people closest to me. She knows everything about my operation. I kept her at my side for years. But the one thing she doesn’t know is you. I haven’t told you about Masha because I didn’t wanna risk coming here or making contact with you again until this fight was over.

Dom: So now I’m supposed to say thank you?

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2/23/2018 7:27 pm

I've been wondering if Kate knew or discovered that KR's father was Oleander, but not how to find him or what name he was living under these days. Red has underestimated Kaplan, so perhaps he never considered that she knew KR's father had been Oleander.

lara1 · 2/23/2018 7:28 pm

KathyN - I think the only dialogue we have is that Red tells Dom that Kate does not know about him, I forget the reason that he gave to Dom. But, yes, Kate knew Oleander. The question is, did she know Dom was Oleander, and if so, how?

I do think that Dom slipped up by saying as much as he did to Liz, because I don't think he knew about the suitcase and all that was in play. Red doesn't exactly keep him informed because i don't think Red likes to contact Dom, generally. And Red had no way of knowing that Liz would find out about Oleander and trek out to Dom's. Whether or not Red was surprised that Oleander was linked to the bones, I don't know.

I don't know why Dennison didn't mention Oleander. Maybe that was the contingency plan if anything went wrong. I don't think it was Dom's guys (if he even has guys) who beat up Dom, so I don't think that's why Dennison said it. still a bit of a mystery. don't know what others may think.

I think there is a huge possibility and risk that Liz will say something, even in passing, to the task force, that Aram picks up on. And they are both going to realize that the address of the former civilian KGB guy who happens to know Red is also where Red was holed up after Liz's death......

2/23/2018 7:31 pm

Lara said: "I think there is a huge possibility and risk that Liz will say something, even in passing, to the task force, that Aram picks up on. And they are both going to realize that the address of the former civilian KGB guy who happens to know Red is also where Red was holed up after Liz's death....."

I've been waiting on this to happen since season 4 started. I keep wondering if it ever will.