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2/20/2018 1:14 am  #1


Dialog between Red and Katarina at Cape May

I look at this a lot and I thought it would be good to have here on the board. 


R, I'll find a blanket.You're okay.
Talk to me. 

 K, It's not that he died.
It's not even the way he died.
It's in the things I said to him just before he died. 

(This is the deleted scene of them talking)

R, You’re okay. Stay awake.  Stay awake. Talk to me.
K, It’s not that he died. It’s not even the way he died.
R, Oh, no, no, tell me. Tell me.
K, It was the…  it was the things that happened before he died.  How it all went so wrong, so fast.  We really loved each other.  The, the horror isn’t that he died.  It’s that the things I said to him just…before he died…


R, Hello? You okay? 

 K, There's someone here.  Outside.
He's here to kill me.  There, There he is.
See his shadow? 


 R, Stay away from the window.I found the intruder.  He put up a fight.
I had no choice but to kill him. 


 K, You must think I'm crazy. 

 R, No.
We'll have hot water soon.There's wine. 

 K, And I can make a risotto.
Do you think we'll have hot water tonight? 

 R, By the time we finish dinner, it should be hot. 

 R, This is superb.
The rice is just right.

 K, Canned mushrooms.
Best I could do. 

 R, It's excellent.
You aren't hungry.
Who's trying to kill you? Does it have something to do with what you told me before? 

 K, I'm sorry? 

 R, You said you lost someone.
Harsh words were spoken.
Words you regret.

K, I was out of my mind.
There was no one.
Just me. 

 R, You don't have to lie. 

 K, Neither do you.
You're no hungrier than I am.
You're not enjoying a single bite of that. 

 R, I told you this is,

 K, Superb.
The quality of the cooking is wholly irrelevant in this case, isn't it? Given the circumstances. 

 R, And those are? 

 K, You tell me.
Tell yourself.
Say it out loud. 

 R, It was a Hobson's choice.
There was a woman and her child.
Both were doomed.
Both would die.
I could either save one or lose both.
I chose the child.
It was it was the worst thing I've ever had to do in my life.
Worst thing by far.

 K, You didn't have a choice.

 R, There's always a choice.
I was arrogant.
I presumed that there was an order to things, that there was that if I nourished and protected and taught the child, she would be safe and happy.

 K, And she was neither.

R,No matter what I tried to do, all I brought her was misery and violence,
and eventually 

​K, Death.

 R, Yes.

 K, And now you're dead.
You believe there's nothing left for you.

 R, It's that obvious?

 K, Nothing about you is obvious.
What brought you here? 

 R, I honestly don't know.

 K, You've been here before.

 R, Once, a long time ago.
I was a very different person then.
You? 

K, He knows. 

 R, I don't think so.
He'd have to be very good at hiding it.
We'll see. Water should be hot.

 K, (SIGHS) How did you know Jack was dead? 

 R, I didn't say he was dead.
I said I missed him.

K, Still, why would you miss him? 

 R, State of the place.
Hasn't been maintained.
A man wouldn't let that happen if he was around.

K, You said "Poor Jack"?

​R, Jack's Shack.
He took pride in that.
Decorated it, carved his name on it.
It's falling apart.
I figured he was either sick or dead.

 K, Could have been Ida.

 R, I went with Jack.
Men don't usually last as long as women.

 K, You sound like an actuary.

 R, I am, in a way.

 K, Have you ever killed anyone?

 R, That's an odd question.

 K, Have you?

 R, Yes.
Many.
But never anyone who didn't deserve it.

 K, Me, too.

 R, I know.

 K, How?

 R, There aren't a lot of us.
You learn to recognize it.

 K, Yes.

 K, Behind you. You all right? 

 R, Yeah.
Thank you.
You know him? 

 K, It doesn't matter.
He's one of them.
Not the first, not the last.

 R, Why did you go into the water? What made you decide?

 K, You've never killed anyone who didn't deserve it.
Yes.
That is a fine thing.
A noble thing.
But not terribly difficult. 

 R, That's true.

 K, Have you ever spared someone who deserved to die?

 R, There was a woman I loved.
She was my life.
My heart.
And she died.
She left behind a little girl.
One last, precious piece of herself.I would give anything to be a part of that child's life, but a man made it clear I would never see her hold her watch her grow.
And I knew in that moment, I would never be any part of that beautiful little girl's life.
Because He, 

 K, was her father.

 R, And to harm him would be to harm her.
A mortal sin.
Her mother is gone.
The father is what she has left in the world.

 K, Her father.

 R, Yes.

 K, We don't have much time.
They're coming.

R, This'll work.
I'll drive.
I'm not leaving without you.

 K, Yes, you are. 


 R, No. I'm not.

 K, Those men are after me.
It's my problem, not yours.

 R, You made it my problem the moment you walked into the ocean.

 K, I didn't ask for your help.
Let me go.

 R, No. 

 K, Why not? What difference does it make to you? 

 R, Have you ever seen the aftermath of a suicide bombing - 

 K, We're wasting time. 

 R,  I have.  June 29, 2003.
I was meeting two associates at the Marouche restaurant in Tel Aviv.
As my car was pulling up, a 20-year-old Palestinian named Ghazi Safar entered the restaurant and detonated a vest wired with C4.

 K, Let me go.

 R, The shock wave knocked me flat, blew out my eardrums.
I couldn't hear.
The smoke It was like being underwater.
I went inside.
A nightmare.
Blood.
Parts of people.
You could tell where Safar was standing when the vest blew.
It was like a perfect circle of death.
There was almost nothing left of the people closest to him.
17 dead, 46 injured.
Blown to pieces.
The closer they were to the bomber, the more horrific the effect. 

 K, Stop. 

 R, That's every suicide.
Every single one.
An act of terror perpetrated against everyone who's ever known you Everyone who's ever loved you.
The people closest to you the ones who cherish you are the ones who suffer the most pain, the most damage.
Why would you do that?  Why would you do that to people who love you? 

 K, I have no choice.

 R, There's always a choice.

 K, Is there? That little girl.
The one you told me about? The one whose father you spared?
What would you do if you knew,  knew that as long as you drew breath, as long as you continued to exist, her life would be in danger?  She would be hunted, and she would be killed.
What would you do? 

 R, What would you do? 

 K, My child is being raised by someone else.
I am her mother and I am death to her.
So this is what I'm doing.
I never wanted this. 

 R, I know. 

 K, Then go.

 R, I can't.

K, You still have time to go.

 R, I don't know your name.

 K, Don't be ridiculous, Raymond. 

 R, You okay?
We need to clean up and clear out.
There's something wrong,  Hello? Where are you? No.
No, no, no.To Katarina, love Papa.

 K, You had no choice.
It was me or Masha.

 R, I'm sorry.

 K, Raymond, you did save me.
Through her.
It was the only way.
You chose well. 

Last edited by Eastcoast (2/20/2018 1:29 am)


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2/20/2018 11:08 am  #2


Re: Dialog between Red and Katarina at Cape May

Eastcoast - Thanks for posting this - especially the deleted scene. Someone on Tumblr had mentioned that scene to me over the weekend, but I didn't know what was in it.

 

2/20/2018 11:52 am  #3


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It's too bad that the deleted scenes aren't on Netflix or elsewhere except the DVDs.  But I guess maybe that would impact the DVD sales.

There were a lot of fascinating deleted scenes for Cape May.  One, an extended version of Red's walk through the hotel the next morning, as I recall he sees himself at the piano, rather than just the piano.  I should go back and re-watch them.  although I never know what to make of them.  They may just represent a direction that the show runners are not going in - like the deleted scene from The Decembrist, where Fitch survives and asks someone to go out for a cup of coffee to talk about Red.  Obviously that is not canon.

so its tricky I think.....some may have been cut just to fit in the 40 mins of the show, some superflous (not needed as the item is addressed adequately elsewhere), some, they changed their minds about direction
 

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2/21/2018 12:55 am  #4


Re: Dialog between Red and Katarina at Cape May

You are welcome. The funny thing is I thought I already had a long time ago?  I was on here looking for it and I couldn't find it so...... 
Maybe I didn't hint the submit and thought I did. I am on here so late sometimes and I am tired..


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2/21/2018 1:08 am  #5


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lara1 I agree.  I do not see where it would impact the sales too much.  A lot of people just like to have their own stuff when it comes out.  They do not want to wait on Netflx. 
Cape May is just so interesting.  I think it gives us a lot of insight to how he not only thinks a conversation might go but what might have happened.  I took it as he would really like to have her forgiveness. 

I think of the end where he tells her he is sorry he says that very sincerely and she says, Raymond, you did save me through her.  It was the only way. You chose well.  
So he actually sees her agreeing that He/Raymond had a choice to make and that she understands it and it was the Only way. 
​I guess at the end of the show we will look back and it will all fall in place. At least I hope so. 

 

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2/21/2018 11:58 am  #6


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Eastcoast - I hope so too.  The largest puzzle that remains for me about Cape May is that I see no romantic chemistry at all between Red and KR.  She's just a person in distress whom he chooses to help.  Although,  that was when he did not recognize her.  then he realizes she never existed, it was only him in the hotel.

But then he sees her again diving into the ocean.  She touches his cheek (affection) but does not hold his face in her hands or otherwise reach out to embrace him.  More like someone she cared about, but did not have a relationship with. All of which at the time just led me to believe that she wasn't so much a person but Red coming to terms with himself, with what he had done in the past.  Now, I don't know.  Maybe its all just symbolic.  Maybe not.  LOL

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2/21/2018 12:04 pm  #7


Re: Dialog between Red and Katarina at Cape May

I know what you mean. It is odd.  I don't know if I can say this the way I mean it, but I took it as he almost couldn't deal with it really being her in the beginning.  As if he couldn't face her. Like he was venting and talking with someone. At the end though, he had to deal with the fact it was her and said how sorry he was. 


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2/21/2018 12:26 pm  #8


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I could write about Cape May for days!  I always saw the episode as Red struggling to want to live and his self preservation fighting with his desire to die, going through his guilt of KR and Liz, and trying to find his way forward.  I saw his lack of recognition of KR as a combination of guilt and sometimes questioning if he really knew her since she betrayed him.  I always saw her as this external manifestation of his self-preservation, he is talking to himself about why he shouldn’t die, trying to figure out why KR did whatever she did, etc.   there are a lot more specifics I noticed but that’s the general gist of it.

 

2/22/2018 2:34 am  #9


Re: Dialog between Red and Katarina at Cape May

Brittany, there is so much in there to write about.  The speech he gave on suicide made me wonder if he had ever said that to anyone else he knew?


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2/23/2018 11:15 am  #10


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Brittany - agreed.  that was my take initially too.  So the question is, what else is layered in there?  Lots, LOL!

 

2/23/2018 4:29 pm  #11


Re: Dialog between Red and Katarina at Cape May

Lara-there is so much in there, so many different ways to interpret things.  It's wonderful. 

 

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