Yes, and whether Jennifer/Lillian is actually singing Garvey's tune.  Did Garvey consider that he would be followed.  We don' know.  But if he wanted to keep Jennifer a secret, its curious to me that he would meet with her when presumably the Feds were tailing him, as maybe was the Task Force/Liz and/or Red.

Tuxie400 wrote:

Did anyone notice any fire imagery in this last episode? I couldn't think of any. I did find one piece of medical imagery when the Internal Affairs guy told Aram he had a first aid kit in his car.

 

​When he blew up the elevator it showed a fireball. 
 

Eastcoast wrote:

I am suspicious of it myself.  I do not think she is a stupid as she lets on.  She did take note that it was her apartment and not the FBI office. 

It was actually kind of funny in a very dry way: Liz and Lilly enter her apartment and Liz says: 
"The Bureau is investigating Garvey" 
Lilly sees the wall and says, "From your apartment."

Not a question, more like a, 'yeah, sure lady, makes sense to me'

Tatiana wrote:

Eastcoast wrote:

I am suspicious of it myself.  I do not think she is a stupid as she lets on.  She did take note that it was her apartment and not the FBI office. 

It was actually kind of funny in a very dry way: Liz and Lilly enter her apartment and Liz says: 
"The Bureau is investigating Garvey" 
Lilly sees the wall and says, "From your apartment."

Not a question, more like a, 'yeah, sure lady, makes sense to me'

 

I know, lol  I has to laugh when she said it.  

​We have to remember she also has some of his DNA just like Liz does. Carla was not dumb either.  She was involved to some degree we just don't know what yet? 
 

I wonder if it will turn out that Garvey sees the bones not as a way to control Red and his power but as a way to control his access to Jennifer? To keep him away from her. I still think Garvey was maybe a young USMarshal who was assigned to take care of Carla and Jennifer when Red "disappeared". Maybe he thought that Red should have known that when he said you don’t know who I am, do you. Maybe Red does know that, but doesn’t want Garvey to know that he knows. We know Red operates totally on a need to know basis at all times.

Of course it all becomes more complicated now that Liz found Jennifer first. And has revealed who they are to one another.

I think it's interesting how children were used to exploit the adults around them in this episode. Mateen's kidnapping makes Mosadek willing to do anything - to pay anything - to save his child. A small boy is the one who notifies Mosadek of the kidnapping. Then, later in the cemetery, a teen-aged boy gives him the instructions on eluding surveillance and meeting the kidnappers. Mosadek comes off as a good father and decent person, despite being a drug lord and spy.

We've seen Red willing to give up everything for Liz several times in the series. That made him seem like the good father. But then we get Jennifer, who he abandoned and never seemed to spend much time trying to find. She claims him as her father, not her stepfather or someone who acted as her father. Yet she's spent most of her life trying to hide from him, and she actually seems to fear him.

It all leaves me with one question going forward: How will Liz and Jennifer be used to exploit Red and Garvey? 

Honey West - you are so funny! So Carla Fitch, eh? You know I think someone even proposed that back in the day 

Nothing quite adds up with Carla and Red though. I know Bokenkamp has said that the pilot is real, real people, real story, real background. I read through the pilot script that launched the series and there were some things that were changed when it went to screen. Mosty, the 'he abandoned his wife and daughter' was far more fleshed out. She had a different name, but they actually named her, Ellen, but they said something like, she lights a candle every Christmas Eve for his return.. So something changed in the story line between what was it? December 2012? to summer/fall 2013. 

I'll have to go back to look at it. It's just interesting because they did have an idea for the storyline/ending, or at least I think they did, even before they made the pitch. You probably remember this better than I do though.

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Tatiana wrote:

Honey West - you are so funny! So Carla Fitch, eh? You know I think someone even proposed that back in the day 

I'm not going to spend hours looking, but I think that I did.  (-:

I knew it had come up a long time ago, but I think we thought it was too improbable - at that time. Now - anything is possible again! Actually, I think it makes more sense now.

IowaWatcher wrote:

Tatiana wrote:

Honey West - you are so funny! So Carla Fitch, eh? You know I think someone even proposed that back in the day 

I'm not going to spend hours looking, but I think that I did.  (-:

​Yes you did. In the Kaplan Conclusion.