You all blow me away with your abilities to hear, see, and deep dive into meanings, connections, and history. Even if none of it's true, some of it's true, all of it's true, the work you put into dissecting this show is amazing! 

Colleen wrote:

Lara1 and Tatiana - neat catch about Rolling Thunder!  Turns out Rolling Thunder was also a 1977 movie, featuring a military man returning home, only to have his wife and child murdered in front of him.  The movie then follows his vengeance for their deaths (sound familiar?)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_Thunder_(film)

The lead character is played by William Devane, the same actor that Red raved about in Quon Zhang.  Red loved his teeth and hair  

Looks like I've got some reading and movie-watching to do

Wow Colleen that is interesting!  I saw the film reference but didn't look at it, LOL!  its amazing you have woven those threads together.

And 1977 is before the actual Rolling Thunder mission took place, isn't it?  Also - rather selfishly, fits a bit into my theory about Red being a bit older and having had a "real" family in the late 1970s....

For a while, I've thought that Red did have a "real" family that something happened to, whether or not it was along the lines of his story to Maddie.  That was one of several references in Season 1.  Stuff like this just really makes me think it was the case.  Whether Red had another identity, cover or alias (and whether or not he lived two lives at once, or just the one "cover" life), and somehow his real family was a casualty of what he got involved with.....

I also remember Kirk's words - that Red had hurt his own daughter.  That line has not yet been explained....
 

Colleen - Good connection!  I think the Rolling Thunder reference is likely homage to the 1977 film. The BL plot does perhaps parallel the movie plot. 

 

lara1 wrote:

Tuxie400 - I loved the scene with Red taunting the banker over the artist!  LOL

The killer who confessed to "killing" Christopher Hargrave - his mother had a cuckoo clock, in the kitchen I think it was.  But it was a funny ceramic one, not a "traditional" wooden one.

In one of the breaks, the GEICO commercial with the cuckoo clock with the talking figurines aired!  maybe you saw it?

lara, that was a wallpocket clock. They have little holes in the back to hang them from. I actually have a few of those myself.

Although I think Kate has a motive, she has been recovering and this seams to have been going on for some time.
I am thinking since the Artax network is still out there that Laurel Hitchen could be behind this.  After all Red did tell her he couldn't wait to hurt her someday. 
She / the Cabal has always seamed to know a good deal enough about him when they have wanted to. On top of that they are not happy with how he took Isabella Stone and causing such a mess. This might have been a last straw for them and they poisoned him.
Or as someone else mentioned he is doing this to himself to draw out whoever it is.

Eastcoast wrote:

Honey West wrote:

Aww, thanks Tatiana #103! 

I just started a new job today so my online time is rather limited for awhile until I get my work computer log-ins and all that. But i read the forum at breakfast every day. Out this way Rolling Thunder is a motorcycle event.

And yes, lara1 #104, I have also wondered what Kirk meant about Red hurting his own daughter. What did he say? "Unlike you, I'd never hurt my own daughter." Since he still thought Liz was his Masha, he couldn't have been referring to her. So did Red hurt her emotionally, physically or put her in danger?

Congrats on the new job!!

 

Thanks, eastcoast! Two days in. Looking forward to that first paycheck! One thing I bought before going back was a DVR, so now I can record all of those morning shows and even the very late night ones. Before this I've had to use a DVD recorder and you go through a lot of DVDs doing that. I think the DVR is much better!

Patter - we have a VHS player! When the twins were born, we discovered that some of our favorite children's movies/shows were on VHS so we bought one (pretty cheaply too I might add! Didn't they sell for over $1,000 when they first came out???)
The children and I bought my husband a flat screen tv last year for Father's day. It's has a Roku in it, a data port, and all sorts of techie things I haven't even begun to grasp. We dropped cable and satellite tv because it was too expensive and instead got a strong antenna so we could watch TBL live! But heaven help us if we get poor reception from weather!

Since this is "The Architect" thread, I thought I'd post this here. I kept meaning to look up Black Mass:
(Honey West, I think you'll like this!)

"Since, like Raymond, we don’t believe in coincidences the inclusion of the Black Mass hackers convention come competition is no coincidence. The film Black Mass (starring Johnny Depp) was about one Whitey Bulger and it is this same Whitey Bulger who Jon Bokenkamp says was the inspiration for Raymond Reddington. Bulger was an FBI informer for years, which gave him immunity from prosecution. Not forever though, as eventually he was imprisoned on multiple counts of murder, drug supply, arms dealing etc. Whilst in prison he also took part in the CIA mind control programme MKUltra, which included repeated doses of LSD."

Tatiana wrote:

Since this is "The Architect" thread, I thought I'd post this here. I kept meaning to look up Black Mass:
(Honey West, I think you'll like this!)

"Since, like Raymond, we don’t believe in coincidences the inclusion of the Black Mass hackers convention come competition is no coincidence. The film Black Mass (starring Johnny Depp) was about one Whitey Bulger and it is this same Whitey Bulger who Jon Bokenkamp says was the inspiration for Raymond Reddington. Bulger was an FBI informer for years, which gave him immunity from prosecution. Not forever though, as eventually he was imprisoned on multiple counts of murder, drug supply, arms dealing etc. Whilst in prison he also took part in the CIA mind control programme MKUltra, which included repeated doses of LSD."

 

I just watched Black Mass on Monday and it was fun to see the parallels. Bulger was arrested in Santa Monica, CA. you know. Ah yes, mkultra again.   

You guys!!! Santa Monica? I think we've found an epicenter. Kirk describes Katerina from when they first met. This means Katerina was living in the area of Santa Monica before she conceived Masha!

"there was this house near where she lived, a case study house built by this famous mid-century architect."
There were only a small number of these houses made, probably 20-30 and almost all were in the LA/San Diego area.

Look at this map:
http://la.curbed.com/maps/the-case-study-house-map-of-los-angeles-1#more
Here's a list of the houses:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_Study_Houses