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2/14/2017 12:02 pm  #121


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Honey West #120 - thanks for that!   I didn't catch that Red was hushing him.  Just that Red was giving him an intense look like he knew him.  I did get the sense that Red was kind of telegraphing a look of "stay there" or "keep your distance" which I suppose really goes down to Spader's great acting, if Red was in fact hushing him as well and I picked that up without seeing that.

Very   interesting indeed!  

 

2/14/2017 3:24 pm  #122


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lara1 wrote:

Honey West #120 - thanks for that!   I didn't catch that Red was hushing him.  Just that Red was giving him an intense look like he knew him.  I did get the sense that Red was kind of telegraphing a look of "stay there" or "keep your distance" which I suppose really goes down to Spader's great acting, if Red was in fact hushing him as well and I picked that up without seeing that.

Very   interesting indeed!  

I don't think he wanted everyone to know who he was, but the head guy knew him. After all, Red had given a false story and name to get in there with Baz and Dembe.


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2/14/2017 4:05 pm  #123


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Honey West - yes, good point!  the others didn't know he was 'reddington".  

 

2/14/2017 4:54 pm  #124


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Lara - I certainly am picking up on the MI6/British thing lately. Keep in mind though that the English accent or names for things is common in Africa, some parts of India, and many other regions. However, it is intriguing. I had attributed Red's "flat" to there being a European influence before, not necessarily British, but now we have far more instances of the British influence.

 


"I could tell you how to win a marathon, but you're assuming it's a 26.2 mile race. It's not. It's a 6.2 mile race that begins at mile 20." Raymond Reddington
 

2/14/2017 5:10 pm  #125


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Tatiana wrote:

Lara - I certainly am picking up on the MI6/British thing lately. Keep in mind though that the English accent or names for things is common in Africa, some parts of India, and many other regions. However, it is intriguing. I had attributed Red's "flat" to there being a European influence before, not necessarily British, but now we have far more instances of the British influence.

 

Tatiana - good point,  I was thinking the other day that it's not necessarily the UK  - I'm thinking also places like Australia, New Zealand too, lots of places as you point out - but the MI-6 thing is kind of pointing me that way.  Also, the use in the last episode of the word "sterling" - I'm not certain - in fact no expert - but I don't think anywhere else in the current or former British commonwealth uses "pounds sterling" as currency.  I could be wrong though).  

Or, maybe its not literal and just an indirect  connection back through the UK.  I do think its a bit strange that of all the places the Blacklist has travelled to, I do not think they have set any part of an episode in London (which would be an obvious place, apart from all of the E. European capitals).  We have had UK characters (or those that sound as though they are from the UK - including Sperry in the last episode (I need to review the dialog about him).

I'd love to go back and pick up all of the British sounding expressions in the series, but that's a big exercise!  LOL.  So intrigued about that connectionllll
 

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2/14/2017 5:18 pm  #126


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Question:
Stylistically speaking - has there ever been a murderer/criminal with more literary and design flair than Senor Reddington?

I think that's now a main part of the show's allure. Am I wrong?


Red: I can only lead you to the truth. I can’t make you believe it
 

2/14/2017 5:28 pm  #127


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lara1 wrote:

Tatiana wrote:

Lara - I certainly am picking up on the MI6/British thing lately. Keep in mind though that the English accent or names for things is common in Africa, some parts of India, and many other regions. However, it is intriguing. I had attributed Red's "flat" to there being a European influence before, not necessarily British, but now we have far more instances of the British influence.

 

Tatiana - good point,  I was thinking the other day that it's not necessarily the UK  - I'm thinking also places like Australia, New Zealand too, lots of places as you point out - but the MI-6 thing is kind of pointing me that way.  Also, the use in the last episode of the word "sterling" - I'm not certain - in fact no expert - but I don't think anywhere else in the current or former British commonwealth uses "pounds sterling" as currency.  I could be wrong though).  

Or, maybe its not literal and just an indirect  connection back through the UK.  I do think its a bit strange that of all the places the Blacklist has travelled to, I do not think they have set any part of an episode in London (which would be an obvious place, apart from all of the E. European capitals).  We have had UK characters (or those that sound as though they are from the UK - including Sperry in the last episode (I need to review the dialog about him).

I'd love to go back and pick up all of the British sounding expressions in the series, but that's a big exercise!  LOL.  So intrigued about that connectionllll
 

I'm trying to remember who and what episode, but didn't somebody get killed in London a season or two ago?


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2/14/2017 7:40 pm  #128


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Honey West - Some police got killed in London in the Season 4 episode Miles McGrath.

 

2/14/2017 7:41 pm  #129


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Oh yes, that's right.  Maybe need to review the script of that one more carefully.  Miles was staying in a London hotel.

I don't think Red has ever gone to London though.  I wonder if his deal with MI-6 is still valid?  

 

2/15/2017 1:29 am  #130


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Just a small observation....has anyone noticed that Red hasn't called Liz "Lizzy" since 4.07, I believe  - its 7 or 8, I searched the scripts and forgot to write down the exact one.  But not since the 4.08 and the break.

So he calls her Elizabeth, even during that very personal scene at the end of The Harem, when Liz confronts him about Kaplan, and he tells the story about Kaplan's sister.

Is this because he only calls her Lizzie in private?   I can't remember if he calls her Lizzie when Dembe is around or not.

So, "Elizabeth is my daughter" and now he has only called her Elizabeth since.....but it could just be that they haven't really had a totally private discussion together.  I just don't remember if he has called Liz "Lizzy" in front of Dembe before - and Dembe was around when they talked about Kaplan's sister, for example.

Wow this can drive me crazy sometimes!  but in a good way!  LOL!  

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2/15/2017 10:33 am  #131


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lara1 - I had noticed that Red hadn't used the Lizzy name in a long while. But I didn't know how long. I can't remember if he has ever called her Lizzy in front of Dembe or not. I thought his lack of calling her that this season was to show the emotional distance he is putting between them since her fake death.. 

 

2/15/2017 10:52 am  #132


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Tuxie400 wrote:

lara1 - I had noticed that Red hadn't used the Lizzy name in a long while. But I didn't know how long. I can't remember if he has ever called her Lizzy in front of Dembe or not. I thought his lack of calling her that this season was to show the emotional distance he is putting between them since her fake death.. 

Thanks Tuxie400.

To satisfy my own curiosity, I just went back over every episode in Season 4 and it appears that Red has called Liz "Lizzy" only 3x this season.  

Once, in 4.07 when he is telling the lion fish story and they are on a bench in a park, and compares Kirk to the fish he reeled in that wriggled free.  He says to her that Kirk "will, Lizzy" have help to wriggle free.

Then, twice in 4.04 - when Liz and Red are searching Gaia's schoolbus and Red says to her, "We're going to get her back, Lizzie," referring to AGnes;  then, while in the car, "we're getting close Lizzy".  

Not sure if Dembe was in earshot in 4.04 but he wasn't in 4.07.  But in any event Red is just not calling her "Lizzy" very often.  Using her more formal name.  Maybe it is emotional distance, that he hasn't quite yet recovered from.

I'll be listening closely during the upcoming 2 episodes!
 

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2/15/2017 11:36 am  #133


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lara1 - You found more times that Red used the Lizzy name than I did. I only found it in 4.04. They are always in a private conversation when he uses the name.

 

2/15/2017 2:43 pm  #134


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Thanks for looking into that Lara. Certainly Lizzie is a diminutive of Elizabeth. I've known girls who go by Lizzie, but most adopt a more formal name when they become adults. Maybe that tells us something too?


"I could tell you how to win a marathon, but you're assuming it's a 26.2 mile race. It's not. It's a 6.2 mile race that begins at mile 20." Raymond Reddington
 

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