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1/17/2017 10:22 pm  #1


Episode 4.13 - "Isabellla Stone"

Press release posted o SpolierTv has the summary of he episode s follows:

"THE BLACKLIST"
"ISABELLA STONE"


02/09/2017  (10:00PM - 11:00PM) (Thursday)  :  The Task Force springs into action to find a sophisticated criminal who has been targeting Red's (James Spader) businesses.  An unexpected event sets Tom (Ryan Eggold) on the hunt for information about his past. 

Hmm   just one more character named "elizabeth" ......

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1/17/2017 10:31 pm  #2


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I wonder if this is the episode where Red and Liz travel to Paris. It sounds interesting. I'm looking forward to finding out what "unexpected event" sends Tom looking for info about his past.

 

1/17/2017 10:34 pm  #3


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tuxie400 - I think it maybe - its the episode they were filming right before the holiday hiatus, which featured a French bistro type restaurant and Monaco sets.  yay!  foreign travel again....and maybe more puzzle clues

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1/24/2017 10:41 pm  #4


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Article from EW just now on the actress who will be playing Isabella Stone in two week's time.....

http://ew.com/tv/2017/01/24/blacklist-melora-hardin/

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1/27/2017 7:28 pm  #5


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promotional photos released through Spoiler TV today.  don't show much but any photos are fine with me!  LOL

http://www.spoilertv.com/2017/01/the-blacklist-episode-413-isabella.html

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1/29/2017 8:28 pm  #6


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So great that Melora Hardin will be on TBL!

Harry's recent post asked us who we'd like to see guest star on TBL.  I mentioned anyone who was on Monk (I'm a huge fan). Tony Shalhoub (who played Monk) already played Alistair Pitt on TBL. Hardin played Monk's wife and although it wasn't a big role, the entire series hinged on her character.

She also played on The Office, but I don't think it was at the same time as Spader. Does anyone know for sure?


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1/29/2017 8:41 pm  #7


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Colleen wrote:

So great that Melora Hardin will be on TBL!

Harry's recent post asked us who we'd like to see guest star on TBL. I mentioned anyone who was on Monk (I'm a huge fan). Tony Shalhoub (who played Monk) already played Alistair Pitt on TBL. Hardin played Monk's wife and although it wasn't a big role, the entire series hinged on her character.

She also played on The Office, but I don't think it was at the same time as Spader. Does anyone know for sure?

Hi Colleen

I don't think Melora Hardin was on The Office at the same time as Spader.  I recently re-watched that season (the one with Spader) and don't recall seeing her.  I guess since the drama with Michael was over with on the show at that point.  I think she was very good in that role in the Office.
 

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1/31/2017 2:36 pm  #8


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Thanks Lara1! 


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2/06/2017 8:56 pm  #9


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alyblacklist has a link to the GlobalTV promo for Isabella Stone. Looks even wilder than the US promo. Dembe scolding Red about putting himself in greater danger every day. Whoa!


“I am exactly who I am. And I can assure you, I’m a far more interesting Raymond Reddington than Raymond Reddington ever was."
 

2/09/2017 12:36 pm  #10


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2 interesting sneak peeks and a clip about tonights episode

one is Red talking to Liz (extended version from promo)

one is about Red's conversation with Tom

Interestingly Tom's father comes up in both.  Two things:

an "unexpected event" will happen
"Isabella Stone" is an alias.  

I'm thinking again why Red is so worried.  I have two ideas:

1.  she is more of a threat to Liz than to Red
2.  She knows secrets about, or is otherwise connected in a meaningful way to Red.  And what if, in the mommy theory, she knows enough about both Katarina and Red to suss out that maybe Red is K?  or she is otherwise able to grab into some secret from his past.....

Tom/Red:http://www.eonline.com/news/827825/what-is-up-with-tom-s-family-on-the-blacklist-red-gives-him-a-harsh-warning-in-this-sneak-peek

Liz/Red:http://www.tv.com/news/the-blacklist-sneak-peek-red-warns-liz-about-isabella-stone-14866542130053852/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

thanks again to Aly for finding and posting these!

Edited to include third idea:  unlike the other criminals Red deals with, she doesn't have a code of like mutual respect etc.  So she will go after anyone and everyone.  The question still is though, why is she after Red?  I don't think she is Kaplan's sister or anyone like that.  But she seems pretty ticked off with our Red.  It doesn't sound like she is out to take over his business empire, more like she is just after him for more personal reasons.  But who knows, and could be both!
 

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2/09/2017 3:20 pm  #11


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Love looking at those spoilers!

I was wondering. The dialogue between Red and Tom: Red says don't go back to find out what happened. Your father, his wife, your mother, didn't trust her. There's something odd about that statement. Then Red says, leave well enough alone (my words). 

Since we have a theory that Raymond has done things to save children and there's a big theme about children, do you think that Red had something to do with Tom's disappearance? So what I'm trying to say is, do you think Red is kind of what "Baz" is in real life? where he goes on incredibly dangerous missions to save children from horrible situations?

Just a thought.

I'm really looking forward to tonight's episode~!  


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2/09/2017 5:33 pm  #12


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That's an interesting idea, Tatiana. That Red may have had something to do with Tom's disappearance. 30 years ago would have been 1987 or so. Red was probably starting to think about rescuing Liz and Katarina (trying to persuade her to leave per her journal entry) from what was becoming a dangerous situation for them. Maybe Tom's father was also involved in whatever Red was doing officially, since Red was still working in his official capacity and Red had the chance to help him get the boy away from a potentially bad situation of his own? Obviously, Red knows a lot more about the whole situation than he's willing to tell Tom. So i wonder if it may somehow be tied to his own problems at that time? If he tells Tom, then it opens up whatever he doesn't want Liz to know about, besides who he really is to her, because I think it's deeper than that.


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2/09/2017 7:27 pm  #13


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I think Red has been trying to keep Tom away from Scottie since Season 3, and I'm not sure we can trust what he says (what's new, LOL).

It's interesting, because he doesn't want Tom to find out about his parents, his past, in the same way that Red doesn't want Liz to know about her father, and not too much about her mother, either,  He parcels out little pieces of info only when he feels he has to -

I wonder like Honey West, as well - are Tom and Liz somehow connected in their distant past?  is that a reason why Red tried so hard to keep them apart?  So does Tom finding out about his past, hold a clue for Liz to her past, or is it something in both of their pasts that is just a horrible thing or that somehow connects them both back to Red in ways they, and we, don't know about?

hmmmm

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2/09/2017 8:15 pm  #14


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Yes, lara1, that's something that has been kind of in the back of my mind for some time. I haven't sat down and figured out how it would work or anything, so it's not really a theory or anything yet. But for me it goes back to the MKUltra and warrior gene stories. We have talked before about what it might be that makes Liz "special". Aside from Red now admitting, under duress, that she is his daughter. Actually it was kind of anticlimactic for him to finally say it, since many of us sort of thought that was the case from the beginning. And a lot of other people seem to know it, too. The big question is why can't he tell her? Of course now it's more complicated because he tells her he never lies to her. He's told her that her father is dead and so he can't exactly come out and say, oh by the way, I'm your father, which means I lied to you. Then there's the thing that Liz/Masha was hidden for years, even Kirk never came looking for her. Whatever her "specialness" is, it isn't related to him, and neither is she, of course. I think the "special" one is Red himself. That was confirmed to me by Cape May, where he has that conversation with himself about killing people and he tells "Katarina" that you learn to recognize "it" because there aren't many of us. So was Red a product of some program looking to create a super warrior or super agent of some sort? He obviously has the warrior gene. Were his parents a part of this program? We know almost nothing about his family, so anything is possible as far as that goes. He seems to have a lot of qualities that they might be looking for. Anyway, my current thinking is, and has been for some time, that Red and Katarina didn't accidentally meet and have that child. And I keep wondering if the scandalous part of that might be that they were fairly closely related. They had no idea, of course. But somebody knew or knows. Maybe that's why Red can't bring himself to tell Liz. And maybe that was what he whispered to Kirk. Kirk sat down like "what?", but something like that might put such a new light on the situation that he could decide that letting Red live with it was worse than killing him.

Anyway, those were some thoughts I had about why they might have "network issues" about the subject and why doesn't Red just tell her I had an affair with your mother and we had you.

Also, regarding Tom, Red seems to know an awful lot about him and how he can never change who and what he is and shouldn't marry Liz and raise a child, etc. Maybe he sees parallels with his own situation and he knows enough about Tom's origins to know he is just not a good idea.

In any case, it will be interesting to see how the story plays out. I am not married to these ideas, by any means! And they are probably totally off the wall! But so many things just don't make sense.


“I am exactly who I am. And I can assure you, I’m a far more interesting Raymond Reddington than Raymond Reddington ever was."
 

2/09/2017 9:24 pm  #15


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Honey West #14.  Interesting thoughts!  I just re-watched Adrian Shaw: conclusion, as we've been discussing it today, and, it disappears from my OnDemand tomorrow.....

So - your thoughts on Red/Katarina.  very interesting.  it might also explain why Dom doesn't consider Red as "family" any longer even though there were hints in "Artax" that he might be, especially given Red's reactions to Dom in a couple of scenes.  And it would certainly cross the line into "network issues" if it is the case.

So in my re-watch, I noticed something that I kind of glossed over before.  When Red makes the deal to meet Kirk and exchange himself for Liz, and Dembe says to him that Kirk will kill him whatever he says, and that "you can't go",  Red looks down and to the side, and mulls this for a couple of seconds, before then quickly responding with "Its Elizabeth" and gives Dembe a look as if to say "and you know why"... (my opinion of course).  I can't help thinking that if Liz/Masha really is his daughter, then he wouldn't hesitate, even for a second.  It would be a automatic and immediate response.  Red is very definitive with certain things.  Maybe he used those few moments to re-consider if he had any other choice, I don't know.  But it played to me like he considered Dembe's words, albeit for a very short pause.  IMO, of course.

And to me, the thing that still sticks out the most about that episode were all of the mega-close up shots of Red's face and in particular his eyes, even at one point zooming in on one eye only.  To me, its a mommy theory thing, like someone else inside is looking out.  But it could be anything, really.

And I still think that Agnes in the photo from yesterday resembles Kirk a lot - mainly in the eyes!  LOL

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