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11/01/2019 5:04 pm  #1


Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

Not sure I will be able to catch this live, but as soon as I saw the title of this episode I thought of William Devane and Red's comment about "those teeth"! and everyone who has ever watched live tv in America knew exactly who he was talking about.

Enjoy!


"I could tell you how to win a marathon, but you're assuming it's a 26.2 mile race. It's not. It's a 6.2 mile race that begins at mile 20." Raymond Reddington
 

11/01/2019 6:02 pm  #2


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

It's the first thing I thought about! Lol

Thanks for starting this for us.

I hope you are able to watch with us.

Everyone got their goodies? 😁


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11/01/2019 6:42 pm  #3


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

It's in the 40s tonight, so it's a small cup of hot chocolate and pop corn!

 

11/01/2019 7:29 pm  #4


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

"Do you have any enemies?"
"We're from Wisconsin."

I love it. I now live in Wisconsin :-)


"I could tell you how to win a marathon, but you're assuming it's a 26.2 mile race. It's not. It's a 6.2 mile race that begins at mile 20." Raymond Reddington
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11/01/2019 7:42 pm  #5


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

Donald gets off the line of the year - "THIS IS GONNA BE A GAS!"

even if the actor playing Ressler didn't deliver it particularly well . . . . 


Red: I can only lead you to the truth. I can’t make you believe it
 

11/01/2019 8:37 pm  #6


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

Tatiana wrote:

"Do you have any enemies?"
"We're from Wisconsin."
I love it. I now live in Wisconsin :-)

Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa nice! 

Mixed feelings on tonight's show. We got some answers (YEA!) but I'm not sure what they mean! (BOO!)

I do think Aram's new girlfriend is working for KR. I don't think picking that wedding or grabbing those name tags was an accident, even though Red was pontificating about being at the mercy of fate.

In any case, she's a nutcase. He can do so much better!

So what's happening with Dom? Zero news. Would've taken 10 seconds to do an update, maybe even a phone call? and keep him in the show.

Very long week at work and I'm exhausted, so I'll quit here.

 

 

11/01/2019 10:01 pm  #7


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

Big Badd Bazzer wrote:

Donald gets off the line of the year - "THIS IS GONNA BE A GAS!"

even if the actor playing Ressler didn't deliver it particularly well . . . . 

I agree!!  Lol 


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11/01/2019 10:10 pm  #8


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

IowaWatcher wrote:

Tatiana wrote:

"Do you have any enemies?"
"We're from Wisconsin."
I love it. I now live in Wisconsin :-)

Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Iowa nice! 

Mixed feelings on tonight's show. We got some answers (YEA!) but I'm not sure what they mean! (BOO!)

I do think Aram's new girlfriend is working for KR. I don't think picking that wedding or grabbing those name tags was an accident, even though Red was pontificating about being at the mercy of fate.

In any case, she's a nutcase. He can do so much better!

So what's happening with Dom? Zero news. Would've taken 10 seconds to do an update, maybe even a phone call? and keep him in the show.

Very long week at work and I'm exhausted, so I'll quit here.

 

Something is not right with her in the head!!  She is one of those thrill seekers, and either this was on purpose, or it may be a thrill she wishes she didn't get her Nose in to.  
Just too odd that she took the name tag belonging to the person who was to get the names.... 

So we got the Bloom name again.  

Did anyone else notice they wanted B- Blood?  Same as Red's?  

 


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11/01/2019 10:18 pm  #9


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

Either world's biggest coincidence or Aram's new lover is in on the scam.

Now I know what I missed tonite - no regular dose of my Franky!


Red: I can only lead you to the truth. I can’t make you believe it
 

11/02/2019 12:32 am  #10


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

Figured I’d stop here before I read any recaps. A few new things got set up, a few old threads were picked up and Anthony Pepe's crew did some terrific makeup work!

B negative blood type again. The kids, Red and Ressler. Red and Ressler certainly do have an interesting relationship. Blood brothers and now Ressler is even stealing Red's lines. LOL! Did we get confirmation that Devane was also B neg?

Stark's meds weren’t helping. We had surmised that Red has something serious going on. Is he dying or is it something else? Was he at Chernobyl? He doesn’t want Liz to worry.

So KR was looking for some help from Devane for someone she cares about.

And it looks like Aram is being used yet again by yet another suspicious woman. No coincidence that she decides to crash that specific wedding and picks the name tags of Red's pal and his wife. Did she mean for Aram to hear the message intended for him? Do the writers mean for us to accept that as coincidence too? TBL is not exactly known for coincidences. And Red certainly didn’t accidentally shoot anybody either.

So is Red trying to prevent this cure for someone from being found? Is it for him? Just when you thought the plots couldn’t get any thicker...

I definitely need a re-watch. Or an aspirin.


“I am exactly who I am. And I can assure you, I’m a far more interesting Raymond Reddington than Raymond Reddington ever was."
 

11/02/2019 8:44 am  #11


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All I can say is that I did take a pain reliever.

Last edited by Tuxie400 (11/04/2019 9:04 am)

 

11/04/2019 1:51 am  #12


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

Some random thoughts:

1.  Red said this to Devane:
"As soon as you tell me about a Russian operative you did contract work for in 1986. She reached out to you recently.I want to know why."

No one up until this point had mentioned that "katarina" did work with Devane in 1986. That was something Red knew exclusively and he only brought it up when he was face to face with Devane. And btw, he did not say Katarina Rostova, he said a 'russian operative'. That gives us some clues as to who "katarina" is though - she is former KGB.  And this Red knew her or about her well enough in 1986 to know she hired a chemical weapons expert back then.  I'd have to go back to the timeline to know where RR was then, but it's doubtful Raymond Reddington, naval intelligence officer, knew this KGB operative or that she worked with a very young Devane in 1986, so this points to him being Ilya (I do not buy this) or Red being Katarina (because Katarina would have known a fellow Russian female KGB agent and who she hired to do what).  So put another checkmark in the column for theory Redarina.

2. What happened at the wedding?  Coincidence or is Elodie working for someone and if so, who?  Two clues:  she tells Aram she's meeting someone at the hotel.  Not crashing a wedding. And she tells Aram they are on the groom's side - when the Bloom's were on the bride's side.  She purposefully gave him wrong info.

Breaking it down in steps.  Red tells Stranger to make contact at the wedding.  We can assume Stranger puts out feelers to contact to see if he'll meet, doesn't hear back yet.   Next (time wise as it occurs in the episode) we have Elodie inviting Aram to go to a meeting with her.  Next Stranger hears back from his contact that he will meet at the wedding.  So Elodie is making plans to go the wedding before Stranger even hears back. She has her own intel that the source is going to meet Stranger, she knows it before Stranger does.  And after Aram gets the intel meant for Bloom from the source, Elodie asks him who he was speaking to and he says he doesn't know and acts confused.  Maybe that's all she wanted - to make sure Stranger didn't get the info, she didn't care if Aram got it.  She obviously needed a male to play the part of Mr. Bloom and maybe she thought Aram was perfect because as an FBI agent he's used to weird things happening and as someone jaded would be more likely to dismiss the encounter as a freak mistake and nothing to it.  And she left him alone to go dance on the dance floor so the contact would make contact with "Mr. Bloom".  (also showing her who this person was, maybe she had someone working with her who followed him out and took care of him).  She also knows Mr. Bloom is looking for the contact, putting the Stranger in danger as well if she stayed around long enough to see who was missing a name tag. 

I can't remember offhand - did she and Red have any scenes together, ie: does she know Aram works with Red? I don't think she does.  I think she picked the wrong agent to try this with. The name is Russian.  We know Aram is going to go back to the post office and look up the names.  He has them on the slip of paper, he doesn't have to remember them after a night or drinking and canoodling. Unless she steals the slip of paper from his pants pocket. And if she does, that will only make him more interested in what's going on...  (Unless the writers are going to portray him as dumb as they are portraying Liz right now, I hope they don't.)

Relevant dialogue in order of it occurring in the show:

Red: What if the wedding helped us solve Paris? Would you go then?
Stranger: Of course, but it doesn't.
Red: Weddings, for the most part, are safe, happy places. Places that even the most skittish source would be comfortable in.
Stranger: You want me to invite the source to the wedding?
Red: Drunken revelers, interminable toasting, cheesy cover bands I can't think of a better place for a covert meeting.
Stranger: I doubt it will work, but I will try.

Elodie: I'm meeting some people at the Fremont tomorrow.You want to come?
Aram: Um uh, sure.
Elodie: You'd have to wear a suit and tie.
Aram: That, uh That sounds, uh, fancy.You, uh Are you sure it's okay if I join?
Elodie: Of course not.That's why you have to.Meet me in the lobby at 7:00.

Stranger's cellphone chimes.
Stranger: You were right. About the wedding feeling safe. Meeting is confirmed.
Red: Then you need to change. We'll have you home in a jiffy. Things are looking up! Between you and Devane, we now have two lines in the water. A fish will eventually bite.
Stranger: Because everything happens for a reason. Even if that reason is as random as my goddaughter's wedding.

Elodie: Who were you just talking to?
Aram: I have no idea.
Elodie: But he knew who you were. Oh, my God. I'm telling you. Name tags at weddings. Pure genius.
Aram: Well, what can I say? Mrs.Bloom?
Elodie: Yes, Mr.Bloom?
Aram: Wanna dance?

 

 

11/04/2019 1:54 am  #13


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MORE:

Leave it to Ressler not to stop investigating a lead!  He's a good agent and very tenacious, if nothing else. He wanted to find Masuda as soon as he got the name, even if Liz wasn't interested. Just like he pursued the Katarina/Dom clues last season even though Liz asked him to drop that too.

Liz: Constance Drucker?
Ressler: It's an alias used by the woman who kidnapped Reddington. Now, she hired Devane to develop a treatment for a man named Patrick Masuda. And Reddington thinks Masuda can lead him back to her.So we need to find him first.
Liz: So we can get to the woman who might have answers about my mother. But I don't think I want them. We went after Katarina, and my grandfather nearly died.
Ressler: You deserve to know.
Liz: Yeah, but I don't need to. I'm happy. I've got Agnes back. I'm not gonna risk that to hunt for answers about a woman I've never really known. It isn't worth it.


Minor point: did Red really kill  the source in Cuba by accident?  I think once heard that Devane wanted info from the diagnostics lab Red knew it had nothing to do with "katarina" and that source was now useless to him.  Any further info would need to come from Cooper and company. He couldn't let the source live because he had to cover his tracks so he killed him, making it look like an accident for the Stranger's sake because he knew it would shake him up (which it did).  But it could've been an accident too. I don't think it's worth dwelling on for more than a minute or two.

 

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11/04/2019 9:30 am  #14


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

KathyN - Reddington was the one with the lead to Elodie's husband.  But I don't know if Elodie is working for Red or not. It does seem like she's working as an operative for someone.  I hate to see Aram in a relationship with another operative who's playing him.

I was more surprised that Red killed Devane than I was when he "accidentally" shot Anatole. It seemed to me, Devane could have been a valuable ally in curing whatever Red's own ailment is. 

 

11/04/2019 1:36 pm  #15


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

Berdy Chernov, aka Gregory Flynn. He's the head henchman for Katarina in Paris. We've already met him, of course.

In 1986 the real RR was still alive and Masha was a baby.

Elodie seemed to know about the meeting of Stranger's contact with him before it was confirmed on his end. I suspect Stranger reached out to the contact who then okayed it with Elodie, or whoever she works for. She made plans to attend the wedding herself, what, to oversee things maybe? See who the players really were? All the time making sure the info didn't get to where it was supposed to go. She must not know Aram's connection to Red, if she meant for Stranger to not get the info and pass it to Red. I think she may be working for Katarina, who is Berdy's boss. She probably figures to get the slip of paper from Aram sometime later that night.


“I am exactly who I am. And I can assure you, I’m a far more interesting Raymond Reddington than Raymond Reddington ever was."
 

11/04/2019 3:40 pm  #16


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Thank you both for clearing both points up -that Red sent the team to Elodie in the first place and that Red was involved with Katarina by 1986. 

I guess it's possible that as Navy Intel RealRed was following Devane back then and knew he had worked with a Russian operative, who may have been Katarina.  But I think this really points to FakeRed being either Ilya (doubt it), Katarina (how I'm leaning right now), or another Russian we have yet to be introduced to (very typical BL way of dealing with a story, to introduce a new character to answer a riddle) and the operative being Katarina or someone other than Katarina.  (It could easily fit that it was Katarina and she and Maddy are one and the same, I'm just not buying it;  but there's no reason that doesn't work for this scenario.)

And now that I am reminded it was Red who sent the team to Elodie in the first place, I think she works for him. Red is protective of the Stranger. Red shot the man in Cuba as a pretend accident to spare the Stranger seeing him murder someone in cold blood.  And legally since it's an accidental death, the Stranger can't be guilty of conspiracy to kill.  Red needs the info from "Mr. Bloom"'s contact but  he wants to get it in a way that will keep the Stranger out of danger, real and legal.  After all, only Red has gov't immunity; the less involved the Stranger is on US soil, the better it is for the Stranger.  Red probably told Elodie to bring Aram with her, knowing he could trust Aram and didn't want to risk anyone getting the info, even by accident.  Lucky for her, Aram called her first!   

So many secrets.    Red's secrets from the Stranger.  Red's secrets from Liz.  Maddy's secrets from Liz. Now Ressler is keeping Red's secret from Liz.  Elodie is keeping secrets from Aram.  Cooper's secret revealed.  Seems season 7 is about secrets...

 

11/05/2019 9:37 am  #17


Re: Episode 07:05 - Norman Devane

KathyN - Yes, there are a boat load of secrets this. I would like to add so many secrets from the audience that the narrative is hard to follow.

 

11/06/2019 3:24 am  #18


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Tuxie400 wrote:

KathyN - Yes, there are a boat load of secrets this. I would like to add so many secrets from the audience that the narrative is hard to follow.

Tuxie, I totally agree!

 

 

11/06/2019 10:39 am  #19


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Hard to follow narrative is part of the show's conceit. That, a extremely porous continuity.

Poor continuity drives schizzy narrative.


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