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10/25/2019 6:26 pm  #1


Episode 07:04 - Kuwait

This should be a good one! Featuring The backstory on Harold and Reddington.


"I could tell you how to win a marathon, but you're assuming it's a 26.2 mile race. It's not. It's a 6.2 mile race that begins at mile 20." Raymond Reddington
 

10/25/2019 6:46 pm  #2


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Thank you so much Tatiana!!  

I trust everyone is ready for this one and has their goodies ready.  :-) 

 


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10/25/2019 8:02 pm  #3


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Not the usual Blacklist episode - this one was massively Harold-centric, and that's a good thing!

Thought Harold's old buddy from Kuwait, George Carlin was exceptional in his role.

Don't know why Ressler needed Franky Campbell to obtain entry into Michael Moore's gaming shop? Anyone know?

But nice to see Franky back, even but for less than a minute.


Red: I can only lead you to the truth. I can’t make you believe it
 

10/25/2019 8:18 pm  #4


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I'll be re-watching the last ten minutes of this episode, for sure!

I'm confused. Why would KR be searching for Ilya Koslov? I guess she's really fake KR, she might be trying to find out who Raymond Reddington really is, and after all that song and dance tonight, maybe he is the real RR.

I thought that the rest of it was OK. The best part was the bit about the drone. That was wild!

Liz has to know who she (the neighbor) is. Liz can't be that dumb in the last season . . . can she? Argh!

The treat tonight was popcorn and a little can of Pepsi with real sugar.

 

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10/25/2019 8:38 pm  #5


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BBB, no, not the usual and it was a good thing to have something a bit different.  

I was wondering the same thing about Franky.  Maybe it was to introduce her to the task force?? 

I had a mixed feeling about Hutton.  

Liz...… Sigh...… 
She must suspect something??? Please tell me she does!  

I need to expound on my idea I had the other day.  KR is looking for Ilya.  What if he found out KR was going to double cross him and he left with the money?  What ever was left of it.  Maybe they/the Kgb wants Ilya in trade for her freedom?  Not sure how it would all work?  
I brought up after Rassvet that the K on the tree could be for Koslov.  I do not know how, but if there is some way Red came back, that would explain why the wicked witch wants to know from him where he is?  







 


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10/25/2019 8:42 pm  #6


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IowaWatcher wrote:

I'll be re-watching the last ten minutes of this episode, for sure!

I'm confused. Why would KR be searching for Ilya Koslov? I guess she's really fake KR, she might be trying to find out who Raymond Reddington really is, and after all that song and dance tonight, maybe he is the real RR.

I thought that the rest of it was OK. The best part was the bit about the drone. That was wild!

Liz has to know who she (the neighbor) is. Liz can't be that dumb in the last season . . . can she? Argh!

The treat tonight was popcorn and a little can of Pepsi with real sugar.

 

The Drone was great!   I love real sugar! Lol.  I have a pumpkin Roll for tonight.  :-) 

Please tell me that in a future episode that it will show Liz looking at her camera seeing what she is doing...


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10/25/2019 8:49 pm  #7


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Eastcoast wrote:

Please tell me that in a future episode that it will show Liz looking at her camera seeing what she is doing...

I so hope so!
Pumpkin roll sounds good! If I get enough walking in this weekend, I'm going to have one piece of pumpkin pie on Monday.
 

 

10/25/2019 9:38 pm  #8


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IowaWatcher wrote:

Eastcoast wrote:

Please tell me that in a future episode that it will show Liz looking at her camera seeing what she is doing...

I so hope so!
Pumpkin roll sounds good! If I get enough walking in this weekend, I'm going to have one piece of pumpkin pie on Monday.
 

 
That is why everyone should have a treadmill in front of the tv. One that folds up if you dont have space. Eat and walk while watching tv. Lol


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10/25/2019 10:18 pm  #9


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BBB - I think Frankie was there to bring the cash. I don't think he'd give the Task Force access to his money while he's out of the country.  That probably has to be handled by someone working for him.

I thought the parallels to Huttton's story and the original Reddington story were interesting (and deliberate). He didn't start out being a traitor, he felt betrayed by how the gov't treated him for doing the right thing and then abandoning him so he became a criminal.  Just like Reddington. I wonder if  this Red stole Hutton's story to tell the FBI when he was brought in. Or if it's just supposed to be a reminder to the audience.

And the last part with "Katarina" looking for Ilya.  That means either Red isn't Ilya, because the real Katarina would know if he was or wasn't, or Katarina isn't Katarina.  Because the real Katarina wouldn't be looking for Ilya if Dom's story was true and she and Ilya did the switch to have Ilya become Reddington. So I'm not sure which it is. Is this not Ilya (Dom's story is not true) or is that not Katarina?  (I say neither is who they say they are, but I'll leave that for now... )


 

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10/25/2019 10:33 pm  #10


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I really did not like seeing that woman using Agnes so she could be a snoop!  And I didn't like that man calling that cute little girl an Urchin! 


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10/25/2019 10:36 pm  #11


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I taste a bit of Allspice!  Lol Another highlight :-) 


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10/25/2019 10:38 pm  #12


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For a moment I thought Red engaged Franky to fly to Kuwait and save Harold. Never put any possibility past this group of writers. But the Michael Moore guy with the slurpee in the game shop was classic B-list.


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10/25/2019 10:41 pm  #13


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I wonder if Katarina & her killer cohort are deciding to kill one or both of Agnes & Liz?

Wouldn't KR exact the largest revenge by killing Agnes?

Either Liz is the world's stupidest spy or the universe's greatest profiler - the way the writers are packaging her gullibility.


Red: I can only lead you to the truth. I can’t make you believe it
 

10/25/2019 11:41 pm  #14


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I need to do a rewatch, the phone kept ringing and I barely got home in time to get settled before 8. I still am not fond of the early start time!

I liked how they inserted the line about this Red being far more interesting than the original Reddington. JS used that in an interview and there it was in the show. LOL!

Well, I’m fairly convinced that whoever this Red is, he wasn't Ilya Koslov. I still think The Stranger was Ilya. But, for sure, I think we are still missing some major connecting pieces of the puzzle.

That said, nice action caper this week. Always nice to see Red and Dembe to the rescue. And I always like Cooper stories. He’s a great character played to perfection by Harry Lennix.

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“I am exactly who I am. And I can assure you, I’m a far more interesting Raymond Reddington than Raymond Reddington ever was."
 

10/26/2019 1:12 am  #15


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I'm wondering if Daniel Hutton/Samoon was the blacklister tonight, but since Red didn't present him as such he didn't get a number. Here's where I'm going with this: Did Red know Hutton was Samoon and did he set the whole thing up like he does so many blacklisters, because it furthers his (Red's) own agenda?  Red could have gotten word to Hutton through his international criminal network that there was a bounty on Cooper knowing Hutton wouldn't be able to resist the revenge and the money. And Hutton came in from the cold, just like Red hoped he'd do.   If so, he got rid of the Blacklister (Samoon) and as a major benefit,  Cooper became indebted and grateful to Red with the end result being Cooper deciding not to turn Red over to main justice.

I think it's too coincidental that Harold brought up the name when Red was held hostage, and he shows up a few weeks later alive in Iran looking for Cooper.  The misdirection for the viewer is we were told as the story is introduced that he just escaped from captivity, and we take that for granted - but if you do go back and question it you realize he didn't just escape from captivity!  He was a terrorist who orchestrated this whole thing to get Cooper. So why now?  And why in Iran?  If Red set it up he could have made sure the bounty info also contained the CIA safe house info in Iran as the best way to get Cooper's attention.  Red would have chosen Iran because Iran is a country that the US gov't/military can not run an operation in, meaning Cooper would have to use Red, which means Red maintains control of the entire operation. Perfect Red plan.  And for the audience, it's an open question that the writers don't have to clean up or clarify. Ultimately it's not important - the end result is the same - a major terrorist is dead, Cooper is released from his nightmare guilt and Red can stay on the task force.   For some in the audience, it's a great coincidence, the timing is perfect and they leave it at that. For the Red fans, they get to believe Red did it again - got a blacklister out of circulation while getting a huge benefit out of it for himself!


 

 

10/26/2019 4:04 am  #16


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Red got a huge monkey off his back when he & Dembe killed Samoon George Carlin - it wasn't Red's monkey but certainly was hindering Harold - and Red couldn't bear that for another he cares about.

Liz & Katarina are playing nice game of ring-around-the-rosey but Katarina can do anything she wants (murder wise) to Agnes & Liz. She's still trying to verify Liz's father's identity before she takes a torch to the cast. Meanwhile, in her own clumsy way - Liz is super-profiling Katarina - and building a relationship with her mother at the very same time.

As for my new favorite character, Franchesca Campbell - Red is obviously enabling her joining the post office - now that Samar is gone.

Once Red learned Franky had no husband, no anniversary dinner, etc. he aligned her with Ressler for a specific task. Just a matter of time before Ressler & Franky have their first love scene? No?

The show-runners now know they can build a TBL episode without certain characters. Yesterday was an Aram-Free zone and things went OK. 

Pannabaker was brought back for a purpose - which rapidly descended into a late reveal by Harold. And Pannabaker's unique southern presence & charm (even in a brief cameo) are now turning into comedy gold. (ie. Head up to The Scotch)


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10/26/2019 8:21 am  #17


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So many good comments!
I really enjoyed this episode. I had the opportunity to meet Harry Lennix last year and may I say, he is a true gentleman. He is originally from Chicago, my kind of town (I grew up right outside the city) and he frequently returns. He's a musician and just classic. So I was thrilled they were finally going to feature him prominently in an episode. And he delivered.

The parallels were striking. In fact, I think there are even more parallels/repeat ideas/characters/themes, etc. this season than any other and we're only 4 episodes in.

KathyN - yes, this reminds me so much of Reddington turning himself into the FBI in the Pilot. Same concept - a missing military man presumed killed (at some point) turns himself into Harold Cooper, the only one he knows. He was an innocent man who became a criminal - the criminal they already said he was. And Daniel turns out to be the most nefarious criminal force out there, causing harm to Americans.

So here's my two cents - 
Katarina/Fakarina:  This is not Liz's mother. The flashbacks in "Kaplan" and "Rassvet" show us clearly what the real mother was like. She would do anything for her daughter. She would even sacrifice her relationship with her daughter to keep her safe. Those she loves, the only ones she loves, are her daughter and Kate. 
Fakarina is using Liz. She has no interest in protecting Liz or Agnes. She is cold-hearted and conniving. I think others have pointed out more clues this is not the real Katarina.

Red/Ilya: I actually never believed Red was Ilya even though that is the story Dom told Liz. In fact, I believe Dom fed her that story and elaborated as necessary when Liz interjected in the telling of the story. It is more likely that man on the Bench, also called "Stranger" is Ilya Koslov. We met him at the end of last season. We know he and Red and he and Katarina had a very close relationship going back to childhood. We also know that actor will be appearing in several episodes this season.

Red/Katarina: which brings me to the oft rejected "Redarina" theory, that Red is Katarina. I'm more inclined to this theory as we are given more information. In the Katarina/Ilya/Red/Stranger interactions, we know K&I, R&S were friends when they were 6 years old, very close, who loved and trusted each other very much. Ilya/Stranger is in the role of deeply trusted friend to Katarina/Red, both of whom trust no one. I also found it interesting that Red tells Cooper that whoever Red once was, he is now Raymond Reddington and that's as it should be. He's perfectly comfortable and actually happy being RR. For those who have protested the idea that someone would change their gender for any reason other than that they feel they were born in the wrong body, as a mother, I know I would do anything to protect my children. As a spy, Katarina would have known the only way she could protect her child was to still be alive, but that the only way she could stay alive was to hide herself in plain sight. What better way than to become someone completely different. Becoming Reddington. And in doing so, she had access to both sides of the fence, the criminal world, the government intelligensia and everything in between.

I hear that Megan Boone is doing some more of her charity work and asked to have less screen time, so other actors and stories will/should be featured more for at least a few more episodes.

I will say though, the special effects really made me groan. It is clear they do not have the almost limitless budget they had in 2013-14.  Oh my goodness, that graveyard scene made me flinch!

So glad to have a good, exciting, and different episode last night.


"I could tell you how to win a marathon, but you're assuming it's a 26.2 mile race. It's not. It's a 6.2 mile race that begins at mile 20." Raymond Reddington
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10/26/2019 8:33 am  #18


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Red is perfectly comfortable with who he is today:
(an official promo from The Blacklist)



 


"I could tell you how to win a marathon, but you're assuming it's a 26.2 mile race. It's not. It's a 6.2 mile race that begins at mile 20." Raymond Reddington
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10/26/2019 9:36 am  #19


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I agree there were a lot of parallels with Hutton turning himself in to Cooper and Red in the pilot, and it was good they let Harry Lennix have an episode to shine.

I agree that Franky was Red's go-between from his money to the task force. The creators said Red's people would be used in different ways than before, including interacting with the Task Force. It's always good to see Franky, so I can't complain about her brief appearance.

I still think Fake Katarina is looking for real Katarina.  My take was that she believes Red is the real RR.  She will now go after Ilya Koslov, believing he can get her to Katarina.  The Stranger is Ilya, and that's why we have Brett Cullen, and a stunt double for him, in an upcoming episode.  In my opinion, the Redarina theory is still standing.

The writers are having Liz oblivious to Maddy's ploy.  If she suspected anything, Liz wouldn't let Maddy take care of Agnes. 

 

10/26/2019 7:36 pm  #20


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I agree with everyone that the Stranger is Ilya.  And I agree with I think everyone that this Katarina is not Liz's mother Katarina.

I was 100% against Redarina until the end of last season. And now I am firmly in the Redarina camp.   Of course the writers can still introduce more characters we haven't met yet that makes sense to this story, but Redarina makes the most sense. I wouldn't be too surprised if it turns out Red is really Red and his tooth was planted with the bones to throw anyone off the scent of who the bones really belong to, but I do think it's more likely he's Katarina. If Red isn't Katarina, I think she's still out there. I don't think she died at Cape May.

One last point: I agree with Tuxie. I don't think Liz suspects "Katarina" of anything other than being the nice lady next door. I agree she'd never leave Agnes alone with her if she had any doubts as to who she is.

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